Apr 25, 2023 School Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER IN PUBLIC SESSION]

[2. CLOSED SESSION]

[3. RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION/CALL TO ORDER]

[4. AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA]

[5. FLAG SALUTE]

[6. PRESENTATIONS FROM STUDENTS / STAFF / COMMUNITY]

[8. ACTION]

[9. INFORMATION ITEMS]

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ADDRESS IT VERY CAREFULLY. >> THANK YOU, DR. ROBINSON. AT THIS TIME BOARD OF EDUCATION WAS CALLED TO ORDER AT 4:02 P.M. AND THE BOARD ADJOURNED TO CLOSED SESSION AT 4:05 P.M. WE WILL NOW RECONVENE THE MEETING AND OPEN THE SESSION AT 6:10.

>> THE TOPICS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION WHERE STUDENT MATTERS, PUBLIC EMPLOYEE DISCIPLINE DISMISSAL RELEASE, PENDING LITIGATION, AND LABOR NEGOTIATIONS. NO ACTIONS WERE

TAKEN. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE REPLACEMENT PAGES TONIGHT? THANK YOU. TONIGHT WE HAVE REQUEST FOR PUBLIC COMMENT . WHILE MEETINGS OF THE GOVERNING BOARD ARE NOT PUBLIC MEETINGS, THEY ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON EACH AGENDA OR NOT AGENDA ITEM, AND THE BLOOD -- THE BOARD WILL ADMIT EACH ITEM TO 21 MINUTES AS REPORTED BY LAW 93.20.2. COULD WE PLEASE HAVE MS. KIM

ASHTON TO THE PODIUM? >> KIM ASHTON, GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT GARZA, BOARD , STAFF, AND GUESTS. MY NAME IS KIM ASHTON AND I HAVE BEEN A TEACHER WITH THE USD FOR 27 YEARS. I'VE BEEN A MENTOR TEACHER FOR STUDENT TEACHERS, AS WELL AS HELD THE HONOR OF BEING THE 2021 TEACHER OF THE YEAR FOR BOTH BELLFLOWER AND L.A. COUNTY. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO AN INCREASINGLY APPARENT MATTER. I AM REFERRING TO OUR STUDENTS IN TK TO SECOND GRADE WHO NEED A CLASSROOM SETTING MADE FOR SOCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY DISTRESSED STUDENTS. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SHY STUDENTS OR STUDENTS WITH LOW IQ. I AM REFERRING TO STUDENTS WHO ARE ACADEMICALLY STRONG BUT LACK THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE AND EXPRESS THEIR NEEDS, LACK SELF-CONTROL, LACK THE ABILITY TO REGULATE , HARM THEMSELVES, AND SO MUCH MORE. THE STUDENTS FEEL THEY CAN ONLY EXPRESS THEMSELVES AND GET ATTENTION BY SCREAMING, CRYING, HITTING, KICKING, PUNCHING, TEARING POSTERS AND WORK OFF THE WALL, THROWING SCHOOL SUPPLIES, THROWING FURNITURE, BITING, SPITTING, AND OTHER ACTIONS THAT CAN CAUSE HARM TO STUDENTS, STAFF, AND EVEN THEMSELVES. I HAVE HAD SUCH A THING HAPPENED TO ME BY SUCH A STUDENT, AND THAT IS NOT THE ONLY STUDENT IN NEED. EVERY SCHOOL HAS MULTIPLE STUDENT SUCH AS THIS. STARTING IN THIRD GRADE STUDENTS CAN BE PLACED IN THE PROGRAM IN ORDER TO SUCCEED, BUT THERE IS NO SUCH PROGRAM TO BENEFIT THE STUDENTS IN LOWER GRADES. IN THE LAST THREE YEARS IT HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE APPARENT NOT ONLY IN THE BELLFLOWER UNIFIED, BUT STATE AND NATIONWIDE, THAT WE CHANGE. STUDENTS DESERVE THE CHANCE TO LEARN AND DEVELOP APPROPRIATELY IN A SMALLER SETTING WHERE THERE IS A SPECIALIZED TEACHER. , HOWEVER, WE HAVE MORE PARENTS LEAVING OR CONTEMPLATING LEAVING DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEIR CHILD DOES NOT FEEL SAFE. I AM ALL FOR INCLUSION, BUT THE EMOTIONAL NEEDS OF SOME STUDENTS GO

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WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF THINGS THAT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCOMPLISH. EVERYONE HERE ONLY WANTS WHAT IS BEST FOR EVERY STUDENT. I HOPE THAT THIS DRIVE TO GIVE OUR STUDENTS EVERYTHING THEY DESERVE IT NIGHTS THE SPARK OF CHANGE THAT THIS DISTRICT SO VERY NEEDS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. ASHTON. DO WE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THIS EVENING'S AGENDA? THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS , SORRY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE OVER TO DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY WHO WILL LEAD US IN THE FLAG SALUTE THIS EVENING. WELCOME.

>> GOOD EVENING, CABINET . BOARD RIVERS, WILL YOU PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE FLAG SALUTE? PUT YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART. READY, BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPORT FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> PRESENTATIONS , IT IS TIME FOR PRESENTATIONS.

>> YES, THANK YOU. FOR TONIGHT WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT TO PRESENT ON, BECAUSE WE WANTED A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION IN TRAINING ON BROWN ACT, ALSO FOR INTEREST. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE BOARD DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THE BROWN ACT IS, THIS IS JUST A REGULAR THING THAT EACH BOARD SHOULD GO THROUGH EVERY YEAR TO REMIND EVERYONE ABOUT WHAT THE BROWN ACT IS. MOST DISTRICTS TAKE PEOPLE THROUGH. IN A MINUTE WE HIRED OUR NEW GENERAL COUNSEL FROM LAVERA LAW, AN ORGANIZATION . WE DID INVITE RICK OLIVERA AND HIS TEAM , AND HE CAN INTRODUCE HIS TEAM MEMBERS TO COME PRESENT ON THIS PRESENTATION . THIS SHOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD DISCUSSION FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BROWN ACT IS.

>> MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, STAFF, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I AM ONE OF THE PARTNER AT OLIVERA MAJURO .

TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE BROWN ACT AND ALSO SOME OF THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND ETHICS STATUTES THAT EXIST. DURING THE PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE MY PARTNER, RICHARD PADILLA. SUSIE COULD NOT BE HERE SO STEPHANIE DECIDED TO FILL IN FOR HER. WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THEM. THANK YOU.

>> AND MAY I JUST REMIND OUR BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE WILL BE GIVING QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, AND WE HAVE

A ROLLCALL, AS WELL. >> IS THAT THE BEST THING, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE ? THESE ARE PRETTY LONG PRESENTATIONS.

>> THE PRESENTATION WE ARE GOING TO DO TONIGHT IS ACTUALLY A COMPRESSED VERSION OF THE 1224 TRAINING WHICH YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF, BUT WHICH ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY DOES NOT CURRENTLY APPLY TO DISTRICTS. IT WILL BE A LOT MORE COMPRESSED, AND I THINK AN INTEREST OF TIME IT WOULD BE BETTER TO RESERVE QUESTIONS TOWARDS THE END , AND UNLESS YOU FEEL YOU REALLY NEED A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

>> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

>> AS RICK SAID, I AM RICHARD PADILLA. I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THE MUNICIPAL LAW FIELD AND PUBLIC AGENCY WILL FIELD FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. I REALLY ENJOY IT. I HAVE BEEN A FAIR NUMBER

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>> IT EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, HONORABLE BOARD MEMBERS. SO WE KIND OF COVERED MOST OF THIS ALREADY, BUT WE WILL BE GOING OVER SOME BEST PRACTICES AND HOW TO AVOID LEGAL PROBLEMS WITH REGARD TO THE BROWN ACT AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. THIS IS A QUICK REMINDER TO PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES AT THIS TIME AND TO KEEP ALL QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END. AS RICHARD POINTED OUT, THIS IS A QUICK SUMMATION OF 1234 ETHICS TRAINING , EFFECTIVE JANUARY 21ST STATE LAW WILL REQUIRE OFFICIALS TO COMPLETE TWO HOURS OF ETHICS TRAINING EVERY YEAR. THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY ENFORCED AND THIS IS NOT THE FULL TWO HOURS. IT IS PRETTY LONG. AS A GENERAL OVERVIEW WE WILL BE COVERING ETHICS PRINCIPLES, TRANSPARENCY LAWS, PERSONAL FINANCIAL GAIN, FAIR PROCESS, AND PERKS OF OFFICE .

STARTING OFF WITH ETHICS PRINCIPLES. REALLY, ETHICS LAWS VERSUS ETHICS. THE LAW IS OFTEN A STARTING POINT IN DETERMINING WHAT IS ETHICAL. THE LAW IS WHAT WE MUST DO, AND ETHICS ARE WHAT WE SHOULD DO. JUST A REMINDER THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS LEGAL DOES NOT MAKE IT ETHICAL. CALIFORNIA LAW PROMOTES ETHICS THROUGH REQUIRING PUBLIC DISCLOSURE.

THAT IS COVERED UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT PROHIBITING CERTAIN ACTIONS AND PUNISHING VIOLATIONS. ALL OF WHICH WILL BE COVERED IN THIS PRESENTATION. SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS TO ASK YOURSELF WHEN POSED WITH THE QUESTION IF SOMETHING IS ETHICAL AND/OR LEGAL IS TO GO THROUGH THESE THREE STEPS. DOES IT COMPLY WITH STATE AND LOCAL RULES? IS IT CONSISTENT WITH MY PERSONAL VALUES? HOW WILL LOOK IN THE NEWSPAPER OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA? AS WE ALL KNOW WE LIVE IN A DAY AND AGE WHERE SOCIAL MEDIA IS MAJOR FOR PUBLIC OPINION. THE BEST WAY WHENEVER YOU ARE POSED WITH ANY SORT OF QUESTION IS IF THIS IS POSTED ON MY INSTAGRAM AM I COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BEING TIED TO ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. IN REGARDS TO QUOTES YOU MAY MAKE OR ACTIONS YOU MAY TAKE. SO, THE TRANSPARENCY LAWS WE WILL BE COVERING INCLUDE THE BROWN ACT WHICH IS OPEN MEETING LAWS , THE POLITICAL REFORM ACT, WHICH COVERS REPORTING ECONOMIC INTEREST, AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. STARTING OFF WITH THE BROWN ACT, WHICH IS THE BULK OF THIS. GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 54943 SAYS ALL MEETINGS OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF A LOCAL AGENCY SHALL BE OPEN AND PUBLIC, AND ALL PERSONS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO ATTEND ANY MEETING OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. THIS PRESENTATION WILL COVER WHAT IS CONSIDERED A LEGISLATIVE BODY, WHAT DOES OPEN AND PUBLIC MEANING, WHAT IS A MEETING, AND WHO SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO ATTEND. SOME GOALS OF THE BROWN ACT ARE TO CURB MISUSE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS BY PUBLIC BODIES THROUGH LEGISLATION, AND TO ENSURE THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO ATTEND MEETINGS OF A LOCAL LEGISLATIVE BODY. STARTING OUT WITH THE BASES. WHAT IS A LEGISLATIVE BODY. THESE ARE THE GOVERNING BODIES OF LOCAL AGENCIES, FOR EXAMPLE, SCHOOLWORK, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, OR OTHER BODIES OF LOCAL AGENCY COMMITTED BY ORDINANCE, RESOLUTION, WHETHER PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY, DECISION-MAKING, OR ADVISORY, AND STANDING COMMITTEES THAT HAVE CONTINUING SUBJECT MATTER DIRT JURISDICTION OR A MEETING SCHEDULE FIXED BY EIGHT CHARTER RESOLUTION OF A FORMER LEGISLATIVE BODY. DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS AT THE END, IF I'M GOING TO FAST PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL ME TO SLOW DOWN. OKAY, NOW THAT WE HAVE COVERED WHAT IS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, NOW WE HAVE WHAT IS CONSIDERED A MEETING. A LEGISLATIVE BODY IS VERY CUT AND DRY, WHEREAS A MEETING HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCE TO IT. SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A MEETING CAN EASILY TURN INTO ONE. BASIC DEFINITION, A MEETING OCCURS WHENEVER A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY CONGREGATE AT THE SAME TIME AND PLACE TO HEAR , DISCUSS, DELIBERATE, OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY ITEM WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF A LEGISLATIVE BODY. YOU GUYS ARE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THREE OF YOU GETTING TOGETHER, JUST MEETING UP BY COINCIDENCE AT A LOCAL GROCERY STORE , START DISCUSSING MATTERS WITHIN YOUR SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, THAT IS ENOUGH TO QUALIFY AS A MEETING AND IS ENOUGH TO BE A BROWN ACT VIOLATION. OKAY, SO WE ARE STARTING OFF WITH WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR. BEWARE OF SERIAL MEETINGS. THE BROWN ACT PROHIBITS A MAJORITY MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY FROM USING A SERIES OF COMMUNICATION OF ANY KIND DIRECTLY OR THROUGH INTERMEDIARIES TO DISCUSS, DELIBERATE, OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY ITEM WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE BODY. SUCH MEETINGS DEPRIVE THE PUBLIC OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION IN LEGISLATIVE BODY

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AGAIN, JUST TO COVER IT AGAIN, UNLAWFUL SERIAL MEETINGS CAN OCCUR THROUGH TELEPHONE, EMAIL CHAINS, TEXT MESSAGES. THIS INCLUDES DIRECT MESSAGES ON INSTAGRAM, TIKTOK , FACEBOOK.

IF IT IS A QUORUM IT IS ENOUGH TO QUALIFY AS A MEETING AND IT IS ENOUGH TO BROWN ACT RELATION. THIS CAN ALSO INVOLVE CONTACT WITH THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS THEIR STAFF OR OTHER INDIVIDUALS. STAFF IS ALSO MADE AWARE OF BEING CAREFUL THAT THEY DON'T SEND OUT AN EMAIL COMMUNICATION TO THE MAJORITY OF YOU WHICH REQUIRES SOMEBODY TO RESPOND, AND THEN WE HAVE A BROWN ACT VIOLATION. I KNOW STAFF IS USUALLY PRETTY GOOD ABOUT BCC TO AVOID THIS ISSUE, THAT IF HER SOME REASON YOU DO GET AN EMAIL CAREFUL WITH REPLY ALL.

OKAY, AN EXAMPLE OF A SERIAL MEETING IS A DAISYCHAIN. THAT IS WHEN NUMBER A CONTACT MEMBER B, MEMBER B CONTACT NUMBER C AND SO ON UNTIL A QUORUM IS ESTABLISHED. AGAIN, MEMBER A REACH OUT TO MEMBER B BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS. MEMBER B FOLLOWS UP WITH MEMBER C AND THAT IS A QUORUM. MEMBER A MAY NOT HAVE HAD ANY INTENTION OF VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT ONCE THEY INVOLVED MEMBER C THEY HAD A BROWN EYED VIOLATION. A GENERAL RULE IS BE MINDFUL OF WHO YOU ARE DISCUSSING WHAT WITH. ASK HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE USED. BE VERY CAREFUL WITH WHO YOU SHARE YOUR OPINIONS WITH. IT IS VERY SIMPLE TO END UP IN A BROWN ACT VIOLATION TERRITORY. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS A STAFF MEMBER CONTACT EACH MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY ONE ON ONE FOR A DECISION ON A PROPOSED ACTION AND REVEALS EACH MEMBER'S DECISION TO ONE ANOTHER. THAT, AGAIN, IS A BROWN VIOLATION. BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE A QUORUM AT SOME POINT IT WOULD BE AWARE OF THE OTHERS DECISION ON A SPECIFIC MATTER. INFORMAL GATHERINGS.

THIS IS MORE WITH REGARDS TO THAT EXAMPLE I GAVE IN THE GROCERY STORE EARLIER. USE CAUTION WHEN SOCIALIZING WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OUTSIDE OF AN OPEN MEETING. FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING THREE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DECIDE TO HAVE DINNER. THE BROWN ACT DOES NOT PROHIBIT THIS BUT IT MEANS THE CITY BUSINESS CANNOT BE DISCUSSED OR TRANSACTED OKAY. NOW THAT WE HAVE COVERED WHAT QUALIFIES AS A MEETING WE WILL NOW GO INTO THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF HEATING THAT ARE COVERED UNDER THE BROWN ACT AND THAT IS REGULAR MEETINGS, SPECIAL MEETINGS, ADJOURNED MEETINGS, AND EMERGENCY MEETINGS. REGULAR MEETINGS ARE ROUTINE, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS HELD ON THE SAME DAY OF THE WEEK AND TIME.

CERTAIN ACTIONS CAN ONLY BE MADE AT REGULAR MEETINGS. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN A REGULAR MEETING RIGHT NOW. A SPECIAL MEETING CAN OCCUR ON ANY DATE AND TIME WITH 24 HOURS NOTICE.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER OR A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD MAY CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. THERE IS NO VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT WENT THREE OR MORE MEMBERS MEET OR COMMUNICATE SIMPLY TO AGREE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING OR AGREE ON A DATE AND TIME FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING. HOWEVER, JUST BE MINDFUL THAT YOU DO NOT DISCUSS YOUR OPINIONS ON TO WHAT WILL BE ON THE SPECIAL MEETING AND WE ARE NOT IN BROWN ACT VIOLATION. BUT IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO: AND THEY ARE LIKE ARE YOU FREE TUESDAY AT 12:00 , THAT IS NOT A BROWN EYED VIOLATION. EVEN IF THERE IS A QUORUM OF YOU ON THAT CHAIN. OKAY, WE ALSO HAVE ADJOURNED MEETINGS UNDER THE BROWN ACT. DOES ANY REGULAR SPECIAL MEETING THAT MAY BE ADJOURNED TO A TIME AND PLACE SPECIFIED IN A WRITTEN NOTICE OR ORDER OF ADJOURNMENT. ADJOURNMENT MAY BE ORDERED IF LESS THAN QUORUM IS PRESENT. IF WE DON'T HAVE QUORUM WE WOULD HAVE TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING. A COPY OF THE ORDER OR NOTICE OF ADJOURNMENT MUST BE CONSPICUOUSLY POSTED ON OR NEAR THE DOOR OF THE PLACE WHERE EIGHT SPECIAL OR ADJOURNED SPECIAL MEETING WAS HELD WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THE ADJOURNMENT. A REGULAR ADJOURNED MEETING IS CONSIDERED A REGULAR MEETING. THERE ARE ALSO EMERGENCY MEETINGS, AND THE BROWN ACT DEFINES TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF EMERGENCIES. AN EMERGENCY AND A DIRE EMERGENCY. EXCEPT FOR NOTICING REQUIREMENTS EMERGENCY MEETINGS ARE CONDUCTED LIKE SPECIAL MEETING. SO, SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE MEETING DEFINITION. INDIVIDUAL CONTEXT. FOR EXAMPLE, TWO OF YOU ARE ABLE TO TEXT MESSAGE COMMUNICATE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT EVEN ABOUT STUFF IN YOUR SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A QUORUM. CONFERENCES, ALL FIVE OF YOU

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DO NOT DELETE PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS ONLY IN REGARDS TO SOCIAL MEDIA YOU HAVE MADE A DESIGNATED PUBLIC FORUM. IF YOU HAVE NEVER SHARED ANYTHING SCHOOL RELATED AND NONE OF THIS APPLIES TO YOU THIS IS JUST ANOTHER QUICK REMINDER TO AVOID SENDING EMAILS TO THE WHOLE BODY, AND BE CAREFUL REPLYING TO EMAILS, AND THINK VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU SEND AN EMAIL AS YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL BE SHARED AND WHO IT MAY BE FORWARDED TO OKAY, NOW THAT WE HAVE COVERED WHAT IS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, WHAT IS A MEETING, NOW WE GO TO LOCATION OF MEETINGS. WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS THE MEETING MUST BE HELD WITHIN THE DISTRICT JURISDICTION. THE MEETING MAY NOT BE HELD IN ANY FACILITY THAT PROHIBITS ADMITTANCE TO ANY PERSON BASED ON RACE, RELIGION, COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, OR WHICH IS WHERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE REQUIRED TO PAY. A LOT OF THESE RULES WERE RELAXED UNDER THE COVID-19 EXECUTIVE ORDERS RELATED TO TELECONFERENCE MEETINGS. A LEGISLATIVE BODY MAY NOT TAKE ACTION UPON OR DISCUSS ANY ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, EXCEPT IN LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS IS THE NO DISCUSSION NO ACTION RULE. JUST BE MINDFUL AND STAYING ON TRACK. LUCKILY YOU HAVE A GREAT LEGAL COUNSEL THAT WILL REMIND YOU IF YOU STEP OUT OF LINE AT ANY POINT. SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE NO DISCUSSION, BRIEF RESPONSES TO A STATEMENT OR QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC.

QUESTIONS TO STAFF FOR GRANT CLARIFICATIONS OF PUBLIC COMMENT. BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS OR REPORTS ON MEMBERS PUBLIC ACTIVITIES, OR REQUEST FOR STAFF TO REPORT BACK ON A FUTURE MEETING CONCERNING ANY MATTER. IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING THAT QUALIFIES TO BE A MEETING AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE AGENDA , EACH AGENDA ALSO HAS POSTING REQUIREMENTS, SO THE TIME AND DATES FOR ALL MEETINGS MUST BE NOTICED AND THE AGENDA MUST BE PREPARED PROVIDING A BRIEF GENERAL AGENDA OF ALL MATTERS TO BE DISCUSSED TOWARD CONSIDERED.

THE AGENDA MUST BE POSTED 72 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING AND

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>> I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT. I THINK BECAUSE IT IS NOT A GENDERIZED OR NOT TOLD BEFORE THE 74 HOURS WHERE THAT PERSON IS GOING TO BE LOCATED. IS THAT SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT?

>> A LITTLE BIT. UNDER THE TRADITIONAL BROWN ACT SO LONG AS YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN YOU WOULD LET THE DISTRICT KNOW, PLEASE INCLUDE MY LOCATION AS A TELECONFERENCING LOCATION. SHE DECIDED TO CHANGE THAT UP THAT DAY, AND SHE WOULD BE UNABLE TO DO SO. BUT EVERYONE GOT IT RIGHT. IT IS NO. UNDER THE TRADITIONAL BROWN AND SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE OR VOTE BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT IN A NOTICED AND POSTED TELECONFERENCE LOCATION. IF SHE WAS IN HAWAII ON THE BIG ISLAND AND WANTED TO PARTICIPATE FROM HER HOTEL ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS MAKE SURE THAT THE HOTEL CONFERENCE ROOM WAS POSTED ON THE AGENDA AND WAS OPEN TO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, GRANTED THERE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY FEW PEOPLE TRYING TO PARTICIPATE FROM HAWAII. THAT IS THE WAY EVERYONE USED TELECONFERENCE PRIOR TO MARCH OF 2020. HOWEVER, NOW WE HAVE A 449 WHICH IS A LOT LESS WORK , A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO USE. THIS BEGAN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AND ALLOWED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO CONDUCT VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITHOUT A DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY, BECAUSE THAT WAS REQUIRED UNDER A.B. 361 WHICH WE WILL NOT COVER BECAUSE WE SELDOM USE NOW AND IT WILL EXPIRE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. IT REQUIRES AUDIO AND VISUAL STREAMING AND PUBLIC COMMENT TO BE IN REAL TIME. FOR MEMBERS WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY MUST DO EITHER FOR A JUST CAUSE OR EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE REASON. THE BILL IS VERY CAREFUL AND SPECIFIC WITH WHAT HE CONSIDERS A JUST CAUSE OR EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE. RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD JUST CAUSE IS YOU GOT SICK THE DAY OF, YOUR SPOUSE GOT SICK, YOU ARE OUT OF TOWN ON YOUR CONFERENCE.

EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES ALSO RELATE TO CARETAKING FOR SOMEONE, BUT IN VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES. EACH MEMBER IS ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO JUST CAUSE EXCEPTIONS PER CALENDAR YEAR AND THE TOTAL REMOTE PARTICIPATION MAY NOT EXCEED 32 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OR 20% OF TOTAL MEETINGS. JUST CAUSE REQUIRES A QUICK BRIEF UPDATE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING JUST FOR THE MEMBER TO SAY I NEED TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY, I'M SICK, AND THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE TO SAY. OR MY DAUGHTER IS SICK. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AN EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE EXCEPTION REQUIRES ACTION BY THE BOARD, THE BOARD HAS TO APPROVE YOUR REMOTE PARTICIPATION. IF WITH THEY WERE FOR SOME REASON NOT TO APPROVE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ESCAPE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR AUDIOVISUAL ON AT ALL TIMES PARTICIPATING REMOTELY UNDER 2449 AND YOU HAVE TO STAY TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING IF ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WITH YOU IS OVER THE AGE OF 18 AND WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS TO YOU. THIS WILL SUNSET ON JANUARY 1ST 2026 BUT WE ANTICIPATE SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT WILL COME PRIOR TO THAT. SO, JUST BRIEFLY COVERING WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE CURRENTLY THROUGH JANUARY 1ST 2024, WE HAVE THE TRADITIONAL BROWN ACT TELECONFERENCING RULES . IF THERE IS A DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY WE WOULD HAVE A.B. 361, OR WE WOULD HAVE A.B.

2249. FROM JANUARY 1ST 2024 THROUGH JANUARY 1ST 2026 WE HAVE THE TRADITIONAL BROWN ACT TELECONFERENCING AND A.B. 2249.

AFTER JANUARY 1ST WE ONLY HAVE TRADITIONAL PRE-COVID TELECONFERENCING. OKAY, AGAIN, WE ARE GOING DOWN THE DEFINITION OF A MEETING AND WE COVERED THAT, NOW WE KNOW WHERE MEETINGS CAN BE HELD AND NEXT WE ARE COVERING THE

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DISCLOSURE OF CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION IN CLOSED SESSION IS PROHIBITED . ONLY THE LEGISLATIVE BODY ACTING AS A WHOLE MAY AGREE TO DIVULGE CONFIDENTIAL CLOSED SESSION INFORMATION, AND THE CONCERT SAYS OF DISCLOSING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION INCLUDES DISCIPLINARY ACTION OR REFERRALS WERE EVERY. THESE ARE BRIEFLY SOME OF THE CLOSE TOPICS. GENERAL EMPLOYMENT DISCIPLINE MATTERS .

>> CAN YOU GO BACK THERE AGAIN?

>> OF COURSE. >> GIVING EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THOSE ARE. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART.

JUST ALSO KNOW I WAS LOSING MY VOICE YESTERDAY, SO I WILL SPARE YOU GUYS THAT HORSE SOUNDING VOICE. APOLOGIES.

WEEKLY LEGAL COUNSEL CAN INCLUDE EXISTING LITIGATION AND INITIATION OF NEGATION, GENERAL EMPLOYMENT MATTERS.

THIS CAN INCLUDE APPOINTMENT AND EMPLOYMENT ISSUES, EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS, EMPLOYEE DISCIPLINE AND DISMISSAL, AND COMPLAINTS WERE CHARGES AGAINST AN EMPLOYEE.

THERE ARE ALSO REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH CLOSED SESSION WHICH I HEARD REPORT TO YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. THEY CAN DIFFER DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES BUT TYPICALLY INCLUDE THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE PRESENT, THE ACTION TAKEN, AND THE VOTE FOR ASCENSION. NOW THAT WE HAVE GONE INTO DETAILS TO WHAT THE BROWN ACT IS WE WANT TO LAY OUT THE POTENTIAL BROWN ACT VIOLATIONS SHOULD THE ROW NOT BE VIOLATED. THIS WOULD INCLUDE CIVIL SANCTIONS, CIVIL REMEDIES, OR PENALTIES, COURT COSTS AND REASONABLE ATTORNEYS. I WILL READ IT AGAIN. A VIOLATION WOULD INCLUDE ANY SORT OF QUORUM OF THE BOARD MEETING TO DISCUSS ANYTHING WITHIN THE DISTRICTS SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION .

THIS WOULD INCLUDE A STAFF MEMBER RELEASING INFORMATION TO EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD WHERE AT SOME POINT THERE IS A QUORUM THAT IS AWARE OF THE OTHERS THOUGHTS. THIS COULD INCLUDE BLOCKING SOMEONE ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE A PUBLIC FORUM. BASICALLY EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, DON'T DO ANY OF IT. I THINK RICHARD WANTS TO ADD TO THAT.

>> WHERE IT ALSO COMES UP A LOT AND MOST FREQUENTLY IS DISCLOSING CLOSE SESSION INFORMATION. WHEN YOU ARE IN CLOSED SESSION YOU HAVE A DUTY TO MAINTAIN THE PRIVILEGE, YOU HOLD THE PRIVILEGE AS A BODY AND NOT AS AN INDIVIDUAL. THAT IS A SOMEWHAT COMMON VIOLATION, AND ALSO, JUST FRANKLY NOT ADHERING TO THE NOTICE AND AGENDA REQUIREMENTS. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE ON AN AGENDA, WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT AND WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK AT APPROPRIATE TIMES IN THE AGENDA. FAILURE TO DO THAT

ALSO CAN TUTOR VIOLATION. >> AND SOME PRACTICAL TIPS TO AVOID THOSE VIOLATIONS. ROULAC DOES NOT REQUIRE BOARD

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BE ABLE TO TURN OFF THAT MIC, EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT THE PERSON IS SAYING THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY IT.

>> EXACTLY. WE CANNOT PROHIBIT CRITICISM OF POLICIES, PROCEDURES, PROGRAMS, OR SERVICES OF THE AGENCY OR ADMISSION OF LEGISLATIVE BODY. EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITIONS TO MATTERS BEFORE THE AGENCY CONSTITUTE PROTECTED SPEECH. THE LEGISLATIVE BODY MAY NOT PRECLUDE SPEECH BASED ON ITS CONTENT AND MAY ADOPT CONTENT NEUTRAL DESCRIPTIONS AND SUGGEST TIME LIMITS ON PUBLIC COMMENT ONLY. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE I AM DONE . OH, ACTUALLY, NO. SORRY, STILL MY

SECTION. >> PROCESS CHECK WAS I WANT TO REVISIT . THERE IS A DESIGN FOR THIS THING TO REALLY GO SLOW ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO ASK QUESTIONS. I WANT TO SEE IF WE WANT TO PAUSE FOR YOU GUYS TO ASK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AND YOU GUYS WON'T BE ABLE TO REMEMBER. DO WE NEED TO ASK ALONG THE WAY?

>> RECOVERED KIND OF A CONDENSED AREA RECOVERING BROWN ACT AND PUBLIC MEETING LOSS. THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO

END THE MEETING. >> I'VE GOT NOTES HERE, SO I WILL BE READY BY THE END OF THE MEETING.

>> IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, WE CAN DO IT AT THE END OF EACH

SECTION. >> WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS.

>> I GUESS I GOT ONE QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO SAVE IT FOR THE END OF THE MEETING. THERE WAS A PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING VIRTUAL MEETINGS, AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE IN A VIRTUAL MEETING TO CALL IN AND GIVE THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS LIVE. I WONDER IF IT IS POSSIBLE, AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD HAD MENTIONED DURING ONE OF HIS BOARD MEMBER OF DATES ABOUT AN IN PERSON MEETING WHERE THE BOARD IS HERE IN PERSON, HAVING PEOPLE CALL IN TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES GETTING PHYSICALLY TO THE DISTRICT OFFICE, SO I WONDERED IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY OR SOMETHING YOU HAD SEEN BEFORE IN THE PAST , AT AN IN-PERSON MEETING HAVING PEOPLE ACTUALLY CALL VIRTUALLY.

POSSIBILITY. THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH REGARD TO THE BROWN ACT BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. SO LONG AS THE ROOM HAS A CAPABILITY FOR THEM TO VIEW THE MEETING AND PARTICIPATE IN LIVE TIME THERE IS NO ISSUE.

>> I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, WITH THE RECENT CHANGES BY A 2449 IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU PLAN EVERY MEETING AS IF YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT ANYONE OF YOU CAN CALL LITERALLY AT THE LAST MINUTE AND SAY I AM FEELING SICK, I HAVE A CHILDCARE OBLIGATION, I CANNOT BE HERE. IN WHICH CASE YOUR PARTICIPATION REMOTELY COMPELS THE DISTRICT TO ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY AS WELL, BY CALLING AND BEING ABLE TO VIEW IT. IN MANY WAYS I WOULD STRONGLY URGE THAT YOU ADOPT THAT AS A PRACTICE NOW, BECAUSE AS A PRACTICAL MATTER YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU NEED TO

INVOKE THAT. >> I KNOW CURRENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS STILL CURRENTLY BUT I HAVE ATTENDED A FEW CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A COMMENT OPTION, EVEN THOUGH THE CITY COUNCIL IS BIG PHYSICALLY PRESENT ON THE DAIS. IF THAT SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT WOULD BE COOL.

THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, ALSO. IS THIS A BROWN ACT VIOLATION, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, IF AN INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTING OR MAYBE NOT REPRESENTING ANOTHER

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>> I THINK WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS KIND OF THE SET UP FOR A SERIAL MEETING, THE IDEA THERE IS THE THREE COUNCILMEMBERS OR BOARD MEMBERS ARE NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER DIRECTLY BUT THERE IS AN INTERMEDIARY WHO IS RECEIVING INFORMATION AND INPUT FROM AT LEAST THREE OF YOU, SHARING YOUR INFORMATION SO THAT ESSENTIALLY SOME QUORUM OF YOU IS ARRIVING AT A DECISION OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF THE BOARD MEETING. WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN THAT SCENARIO IS IF THE CONDUIT IS ACTUALLY SHARING THE OPINIONS, BOARD MEMBER ARMSTRONG SAYS SHE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT POSITION, ARE YOU IN ON THAT? THE TWO OF THEM ARE REALLY AGO FOR THIS POSITION, IF WE GET YOU ON BOARD WE CAN GET IT PASSED.

THAT SUDDENLY BECOMES A SERIAL MEETING. MY RECOMMENDATION WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE , PUBLIC OFFICIALS, YOU HAVE PEOPLE LOBBYING YOU EVERY DAY FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. YOU DON'T LIVE IN A FISHBOWL. YOU ARE PART OF BEING A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, TRYING TO GET PUBLIC INPUT. TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMUNITY. TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND HOW THEY JIVE WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST HERE. WHAT YOU WANT TO TELL PEOPLE WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH HIM IS IT IS A ONE-WAY CONVERSATION. YOU WANT TO LISTEN AND ABSORB AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE, THAT YOU WILL HOLD JUDGMENT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU CAN APPEAR BEFORE A PUBLIC BODY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE MEETING. ONCE YOU ARE ON THE DAIS AND THEIR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE HERE, FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS WHAT YOUR FEELINGS ARE AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT TO DELIBERATE AND DISCUSS, AND MAKE COMPROMISES.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, IT IS OKAY IF AN INDIVIDUAL FROM AN ORGANIZATION GETS TWO MEMBERS, AS LONG AS WE DON'T DISCUSS

TOGETHER. >> AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR OPINION THAT YOU CAN GO SHARE WITH OTHER MEMBERS.

>> WE SHOULD BE IN NEAR . >> YES. AVOID DISCUSSION. ARE

THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO, I WAS GOING TO ASKED THE SAME THING. JUST TO CLARIFY, WE CAN STILL MEET WITH PEOPLE WHO

WANT TO GIVE US INFORMATION? >> OF COURSE.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE, I WAS TAKING SOME NOTES, BUT IF IT IS LATER IN THE PRESENTATION JUST LET ME KNOW. ARE WE GOING TO TOUCH ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BROWN EYED AND GREEN

ACT MEETINGS? >> GREEN ACT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS HESITATION. BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE

CONVERSATION WE CAN DO THAT. >> NEXT QUESTION. I FIND A LOT WITH BROWN AT STUFF IS HOW DO YOU HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO US? IT IS PRETTY GREAT SOMETIMES. IN A DAISY CHAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, ONLY MEMBER B KNOWS WHAT THEY DID, RIGHT? IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH MEMBER B OR IS IT ALL THREE?

>> THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS WITH ALL THREE, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN THE CONCLUSION OF THAT CHAINED THREE OR MORE OF YOU ARE GOING TO KNOW HOW THE OTHER IS GOING TO BE INTERACTING ON THERE. IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AT THAT POINT IF YOU HAVE A COLLEAGUE WHO WANTS TO TALK TO YOU NOT ONLY ABOUT WHERE THEY STAND ON A PARTICULAR POSITION OR HOW THEY INTEND TO VOTE, BUT IF THEY ARE NOW STARTING TO SHARE WITH YOU CONVERSATIONS THEY'VE HAD WITH OTHER PEOPLE, I THINK THAT IS A POINT AT WHICH YOU WANT TO POLITELY DECLINE THE CONVERSATION AND SAY WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WHEN WE ARE IN THE MEETING.

>> AND NEXT IS WHAT CATEGORY MEETING WITH A STUDY SESSION OR

A RETREAT FALL INTO? >> GENERALLY SPEAKING STUDY SESSIONS, YOU ARE DISCUSSING BUSINESS, SO THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE REGARDED AS A BOARD MEETING. IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT. I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT THAT RUNS CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU HAVE STUDY SESSIONS AND RETREATS, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF A LET

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>> YOU WOULD STILL BE UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY.

>> RIGHT >> THE STUDY SESSION COULD BEYOND OUR REGULAR MEETING DATE. IF YOU HAVE IT ON A

SATURDAY. >> SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS YOU CAN HAVE A MEETING, THAT WOULD STILL COUNT AS A MEETING WITHIN THE BROWN ACT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO A JEN DIES.

WERE TO VIOLATE BROWN AT THAT IS REALLY CLEAR , THEY RELEASE CLOSE SESSION INFORMATION AND IT IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THAT MEMBER IS ACCOUNTABLE. THE POSTING OF ME BOARD MEETING WITHIN 72 HOURS, WHO IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT? WHAT WOULD THE VIOLATION LOOK LIKE? THE WHOLE BOARD IS VIOLATING BROWN

AT? >> IT WOULD BE THE INSTITUTION, WHICH TECHNICALLY, I GUESS WOULD BE THE BOARD AS AN INSTITUTION, NOT YOU AS INDIVIDUALS. BUT STILL, SOMEBODY COULD SAY THE BOARD HAS STOPPED POSTING AGENDAS, OR THEY POST ONE-WORD AGENDAS. THEY ARE POSTING THEIR AGENDAS FIVE MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING. WE DON'T HAVE TIME.

THEY WOULD HOLD THE CITY BOARD AND BODY ACCOUNTABLE.

>> A VIOLATION OF BROWN EYED IS PUNISHABLE BY MISDEMEANOR AND FINDS. SO OKAY . OKAY. OKAY. A VIOLATION COULD EITHER BE FROM ONE MEMBER OR THE ENTIRE BOARD.

>> RIGHT MOST OF THE TIME OF THE BROWN ACT IS SOMEWHAT MERCIFUL IN THAT IF YOU ARE IN VIOLATION, IF YOU MADE A DECISION WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH ALL OF THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AGENDA REQUIREMENTS, WHAT THE BROWN ACT WILL SIMPLY COMMAND IS THAT AT THE SOONEST OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU RECONVENE AS A BODY, DELIBERATE ON IT PROPERLY, AND ALL IS FORGIVEN AT THAT POINT. IT IS WHEN YOU DON'T DO THAT AFTER THE SPECIFIED TIME PERIOD THE RUN INTO SOME PROBLEMS.

>> TAKE YOU. >> I KIND OF HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS BUT I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THAT ONE MORE TIME. MY QUESTION WAS THE SAME AS WHO WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT. AS A BOARD MEMBER, I BASICALLY NEED TO CHECK UP ON EVERYTHING THAT IS DONE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS POSTED, ALL OF THAT, OR I CAN BE PUNISHED, BASICALLY, GIVEN CONSEQUENCES,

RIGHT? >> I MEAN, YOU ALL AS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE A FIDUCIARY DUTY TO ENSURE THAT PROPER PRACTICES ARE BEING FOLLOWED. NOW, THERE ARE ISSUES ABOUT DEFENSE AND TENDERING, WHICH ARE KIND OF BEYOND THE SCOPE.

PERIOD SUFFICE TO SAY NOBODY'S GOING TO PUT YOU INDIVIDUALLY IN JAIL UNLESS THERE WAS SOME CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT, BUT I THINK IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF NEGLIGENT OVERSIGHT WOULD REALLY JUST BE A QUESTION OF YOU REMEDYING IT OR SOMEBODY FILING AN INJUNCTION THAT WOULD THEN COMMAND YOU GUYS TO START COMPLYING.

>> I KIND OF HAD THE SAME QUESTION, IF I'M ONLY TALKING TO ONE BOARD MEMBER AND THAT IS THE ONLY BOARD MEMBER I'LL EVER TALK TO AND THAT PERSON GOES AND TALKS TO SOMEONE, I CAN BE

HELD ACCOUNTABLE? >> THERE IS SOME FACT SENSITIVITY TO THAT. IF YOU UNWITTINGLY SPOKE TO SOMEBODY WHO THEN SHARED AN OPINION WITH SOMEBODY ELSE AND SHARED IT WITH A THIRD PARTY, I THINK YOU COULD BE DEEMED AN INNOCENT PARTY THERE. IF YOU START RECEIVING THAT INFORMATION WILLING THE RECEIVING THE FEEDBACK AND AGREEING WITH IT

THEN THAT IS A PROBLEM. >> OUT SLOWLY. IF I ONLY TALK TO ONE BOARD MEMBER AND NOBODY ELSE I WILL NEVER BE IN THAT

SITUATION, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS I KNOW I HAVE READ SOMEWHERE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE HYPOTHETICAL OF HIM CALLING, BUT THERE IS INSTANCES WHERE SOMEONE SPEAKING CAN BE SO OBNOXIOUS WHERE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TURN THAT MIC OFF.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE TO ME, PLEASE?

>> AS STEPHANIE SAID, WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE AT THE PODIUM THEY ARE NOT UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO BE KIND. THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE SUPREME COURT OFFERS A LOT OF LATITUDE FOR PEOPLE TO SAY VERY UNKIND AND HURTFUL THINGS

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>> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. THANK YOU. IT IS FOR SOCIAL MEDIA. IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME ON YOUR CAMPAIGN AND YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE PAGES, IF YOU HAVE POSTED SOMETHING ON YOUR PERSONAL PAGE THAT IS MEDIA RELATED NOW BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC AND YOU CANNOT BLOCK PEOPLE, CORRECT?

>> YEAH, THE SECOND YOU MAKE IT A DESIGNATED PUBLIC FORUM YOU ARE IN THE WHOLE REALM OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND YOU CANNOT

BLOCK. >> ON YOUR PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA, IF YOU GO BACK AND DELETE YOUR POST AND IT IS JUST YOURS, CAN YOU DELETE THE WHOLE ENTIRE PAGE AND START OVER SO

YOU CANNOT BE HARASSED? >> THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE YOU ARE POTENTIALLY DELETING PUBLIC RECORDS. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED BOARD BUSINESS AND YOU ARE CREATING PUBLIC RECORD WHICH CAN ONLY BE DESTROYED IN COMPLIANCE WITH

WHATEVER POLICY YOU HAVE. >> CAN I ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION, THEN? CAN YOU DEFINED ME WHAT BOARD BUSINESSES IF YOU ARE DISCUSSING? IF I POST A PICTURE ON THE DAIS THAT IS

BOARD BUSINESS? >> POSSIBLY NOT, BUT ANYTHING THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE PROGRAMMING FOR THE DISTRICT IS, YOU ARE IN CONTRACT WITH, ANY SORT OF POLITICAL OR ELECTION RELATED ISSUES, IT IS PRETTY BROAD. ALMOST TO THE POINT OF BEING EXHAUSTED. MAYBE NARROWER SINCE YOU ARE IS DISTRICT AND NOT TALKING ABOUT UTILITIES, NECESSARILY, OR RUNNING ELECTIONS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL, AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, AS STEPHANIE SAID, THAT YOU SEPARATE YOUR PUBLIC PROFILE FROM YOUR PRIVATE PROFILE AND KEEP YOUR PRIVATE PROFILE PRIVATE SO THAT YOU

DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. >> REALLY QUICKLY JUST TO ADDRESS, GOING BACK TO THE WHOLE DELETING IT, YOU COULD IN THEORY STOP USING IT, DON'T DELETE IT, AND MAKE A NEW ONE AND KEEP THAT ONE PRIVATE. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST THING WE CAN RECOMMEND, SO ANYONE CAN LEAVE COMMENTS GET

BUT YOU ARE NOT ENGAGING. >> AS FAR AS THAT GOES ON THAT TOPIC, IT SAYS DO NOT DELETE PUBLIC COMMENTS UNDER EXTREMELY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES. WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES ? I KNOW IT'S IS EXTREMELY SPECIFIC. LIKE IF A BOARD MEMBER SINCE HIS DANGER OR HARASSMENT, COULD THEY , IF THEY FEEL LIKE , COULD THEY DELETE THOSE OR UNFRIEND SOMEBODY WHO IS HARASSING? WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE THAT PERSON COULD BE A DANGER?

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT IS ONE WHERE YOU PROBABLY NEED TO WORK IN CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME FINE POINTS THAT YOU NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO. I WOULD SAY IMAGES THAT ARE COMPLETELY OBSCENE, THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SORT OF BUSINESS-RELATED VALUE, POSSIBLY SOMETHING YOU COULD DELETE. BUT IT CAN BE VERY TRICKY AND I THINK IT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU PROBABLY NEED TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY RASH DECISIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. SHOULD I REPEAT ALL THAT? ALL RIGHT, I PROBABLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. AND THE BOARD KNOWS THIS, BUT THIS WHOLE THING IS ABOUT REALLY EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE BOARD.

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>> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE I ASKED MY NEXT ONE?

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET ALL OF OUR ABSENT BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS, AS WELL. ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTION SHE HAD OUR WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES BETWEEN BOARDS? ABOUT HIS ENGAGEMENT WITH COLLECTIVE-BARGAINING GROUPS.

NEGOTIATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CASE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATIONS AND A MEMBER LOBBIES A BOARD MEMBER, TO EXPLAIN THE SITUATION, IS IT A CLOSED SESSION ITEM, WHAT IS THE BOARD MEMBER? SPEC

>> THIS COMES A VERY FREQUENTLY. IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON SCENARIO. MEMBERS OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE A RIGHT TO LOBBY YOU TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY FEEL THE ISSUES ARE AND TO SORT OF LOBBY FOR HOW THEY THINK YOU SHOULD VOTE. AGAIN, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAID EARLIER, WE WANTED TO BE A ONE-WAY CONVERSATION. AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BE POLITE, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE DISTANT, BUT TRY TO HAVE IT MORE ABOUT YOU GATHERING INFORMATION YOU SHARING WHAT ORDER PERSONAL POSITIONS ARE.

>> THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC. YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DEAL WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR EMPLOYEES. THEY HAVE ELECTED U.S. BOARD MEMBERS AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW YOUR NEGOTIATIONS AND PROPOSALS. WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GET

ENOUGH FOR LABOR PRACTICE. >> JUST TO CONFIRM WE ARE ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM UNDER THOSE RULES, TOO, BUT JUST MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT EXPRESSING ANY OPINIONS IN GETTING ANY

INFORMATION. >> I THINK BEING UP FRONT WITH PEOPLE RIGHT OFF THE BAT ABOUT WHY YOU CANNOT OFFER OPINIONS IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DO WANT YOU TO MAKE SOME SORT OF VERBAL COMMITMENT OR THEY WANT TO FILL YOU OUT FOR WHAT THE POSITION IS. YOU ARE ALL ADULTS, YOU KNOW HOW TO BE DIPLOMATIC. YOU CAN BE POLITE AND GRACIOUS

ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU. THERE ARE THREE QUESTIONS, THIS IS THE SECOND ONE. COULD YOU PLEASE CLEARLY DEFINE BOARD MEMBER ROLES, PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT

AND CLERK. >> THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT REALLY A BROWN AT QUESTION, I THINK THAT IS MORE JUST YOUR OWN INTERNAL POLICIES. BUT JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER , AS THE PRESIDENT YOU ARE THE PRESIDING OFFICER OF THE MEETING, YOU CARRY THE GAVEL AND YOU KIND OF GUIDE THE DISCUSSION. WHAT WAS THE OTHER POSITION?

>> SHE ASKED ABOUT VICE PRESIDENT .

>> VICE PRESIDENT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF A VICE MAYOR. YOU DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE PRESIDENT IF THE PRESIDENT IS NOT PRESENT. CLARK, I WOULD IMAGINE, IS INVOLVED IN MAKING SURE ACCURATE RECORDS OF YOUR DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION .

>> LAST QUESTION. CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE BOUNDARIES TO WHERE THE BOARD MEMBER STOP IN THE DISTRICT PICS OF ACTIONS

AND RESPONSIBILITIES? >> THAT IS A LITTLE VAGUE.

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>> I THINK THIS PROBABLY HAS TO DO WITH JUST OPERATIONS , DUTIES OF THE BOARD VERSUS THE DUTIES OF STAFF.

>> I THINK I KNOW THIS QUESTION IS. THIS IS A QUESTION THAT COMES UP. YOU HAVE A DESIGNATED SUPERINTENDENT. YOUR SUPERINTENDENT IS LIKE YOUR CEO. THE PERSON YOU HIRED TO DISCHARGE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR OPERATION AND ORGANIZATION RUNS PROPERLY , BUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BROADER GOALS THAT YOU HAVE SET , THE BIG PICTURE YOU SET. YOU ARE THE POLICYMAKERS, YOU SET THE COURSE OF WHERE THE DISTRICT WANTS TO GO. THE SUPERINTENDENT AND STAFF JOB IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET YOU WHERE YOU GO. YOUR JOB IS TO GET THERE WITHOUT GETTING IN TROUBLE. WHERE CITIES AND OTHER PUBLICATIONS TEND TO HAVE PROBLEMS IS WHEN INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS MAYBE WANT TO USURP THE PREROGATIVES OF THE SUPERINTENDENT AND START DIRECTING EMPLOYEES DIRECTLY OR BYPASSING HIM OR HER IN THEIR EXECUTIVE CAPACITY. IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT THAT TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH BLIND STAFF YOU DIRECT THOSE THROUGH YOUR MANAGEMENT STAFF AND YOU HOLD YOUR MANAGEMENT STAFF ACCOUNTABLE TO WHERE THOSE ISSUES ARE BEING ADDRESSED.

>> JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, IF I WANTED TO SAY WE WANTED TO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING, I WOULD NOT GO DIRECTLY TO THE SUPERINTENDENT STAFF AND TELL THEM HEY, TOWN HALL MEETING.

>> GETS LIKE, WHAT WE ARE DOING A TOWN HALL. DON'T WORRY, I WILL TALK TO THE SUPERINTENDENT. THAT IS A BIG

NO. >> THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS

FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS. >> I'M GOING TO WAIT . I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A TOWNHALL MEETING, BUT I WILL

FORGO THAT. >> I'M SORRY, THESE ARE MY PERSONAL ONES. MY TURN. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE WAS OH,

GOSH. NEVERMIND. >> MAYBE I COULD FILL SOME TIME FOR YOU SO YOU CAN CATCH UP. GOING QUICKLY BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, THERE IS A PORTION ABOUT LOCATION OF MEETINGS. THIS RELATES TO SOMETHING THAT OUR ABSENT BOARD MEMBER HAD, I THINK SHE HAD SPOKEN TO THE LONG BEACH PREP ABOUT THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THIS FACILITY FOR INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE OF THAT DOOR AND OTHER FACTORS LIKE THE WAY THE CHAIRS ARE SET UP. ACCORDING TO THIS IT SAYS THAT A MEETING MAY NOT BE HELD IN A FACILITY THAT PROHIBITS THE ADMITTANCE OF ANY PERSON BASED ON, WHICH IS INACCESSIBLE TO DISABLED PERSONS. EARLIER I ASKED ABOUT CALLING INTO A BOARD MEETING AND PARTICIPATING IN THAT WAY, SO IF THERE IS DIFFICULTY RENOVATING THIS FACILITY TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL TO PEOPLE, WITH THAT OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DISABLED TO CALL AND BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT? AND WOULD THAT EXEMPT US FROM VIOLATING

THAT PART OF GOVERNMENT CODE? >> YEAH, SO A.D.A. COMPLIANCE IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THE BROWN ACT, BASICALLY TO BE TRULY OPEN IT HAS TO BE OPEN TO ANYBODY, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE LITERAL OR PHYSICAL BARRIERS. IF YOU ARE WHEELCHAIR-BOUND AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET IN HER STEPS , THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME SORT OF TEXT EXPLANATION OF WHAT IS GOING ON , A CITY IN A PUBLIC AGENCY CANNOT ANTICIPATE EVERY POTENTIAL POSSIBLE REQUIREMENT . REASONABLE IN TERMS OF PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE. REASONABLE IN TERMS OF COST. OBVIOUSLY HAVING A PHONE OPTION. USUALLY WHAT WE SUGGEST IS ON YOUR AGENDA TO HAVE A CONTACT THERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN REACH OUT TO STAFF AHEAD OF TIME AND GET A SENSE OF WHAT THAT

PERSON'S ACCOMMODATIONS . >> WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AT THIS TIME.

>> THAT IS PROBABLY GOING BEYOND, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT.

THERE COULD BE THINGS THAT WE ARE JUST NOT SEEING.

>> THANK YOU. >> I WILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS

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AFTER WE CONTINUE. >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR CAMPAIGN IS HARASSING AND YOU BLOCK THEM PRIOR TO BEING ELECTED, DO YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND UNBLOCK THEM?

>> A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE INTERACTION.

GRADE THAT I AM NO LONGER FRIENDS WITH AND SHE NOW WANTED

TO LOCK HER, COULD SHE? >> POTENTIALLY, YEAH.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.

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ALL REASONS WHY THEY HOLD SOMETHING UNDER THE PRA, NOT THE ONLY REASONS BUT THE MOST COMMONLY USED. OUR PERSONAL ACCOUNTS AND DEVICES SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, YES, 2017, THE CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT CASE HELD BACK MEDICATIONS BY A PUBLIC AGENCY EMPLOYEES REGARDING AGENCY BUSINESS , THEIR PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS, CELL PHONES, COMPUTERS MAY BE SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE UNDER THE PRA. THE COURT OBJECTIVE IS TO PREVENT PUBLIC EMPLOYEES FROM HIDING MEDICATIONS FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER THE PRA BY USING THE ACCOUNTS , VERY SIMPLE ENOUGH, SOMEBODY WOULD JUST , THINKING THEY WERE HIGH SOMETHING BY USING THE PERSONAL EMAILS, AND THIS IS TO PREVENT THAT. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO CONDUCT SEARCHES , RECENTLY CACKLED TO LOOK AT RESPONSIVE DOCUMENTS THE PENALTY FOR IMPROPERLY WITHHOLDING DOCUMENTS UNDER THE PRA INCLUDES CIVIL ACTION FOR RELIEF ORBIT MANDATE TO ENFORCE THE RIGHT TO INSPECT OR RECEIVE A COPY OF ANY RECORD, COURT COSTS, ATTORNEY'S FEES , AND THE DISTRICT MAY NEVER INITIATE LEGAL ACTION AND FRIENDLY HALF RECORDS DECLARED ON THIS QUOTE THAT WE CANNOT COLLECT ATTORNEY

FEES. >> IF I MAY , THERE IS A KEY TAKE AWAY IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT THAT I THINK IS MOST RELEVANT TO YOU. THAT AROSE OUT OF THE CITY OF SAN JOSE DECISION . UP UNTIL THAT TIME, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS THAT ANY RECORDS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF THE PUBLIC AGENCY WOULD LITERALLY NOT BE IN YOUR FILE. NOT RECORDS YOU WERE ABLE TO PRODUCE BECAUSE YOU DID NOT HAVE CONTROL. THAT CHANGED WITH THE CITY OF SAN JOSE VERSUS THE SUPERIOR COURT. NOW IT SAYS THAT ANY -- THEY NEED A PLACE, WHETHER A BOARD ISSUE DEVICE, DISTRICT ISSUED DEVICE, YOUR PERSONAL DEVICE , IF IT CONTAINS BUSINESS-RELATE D COMMUNICATIONS OF ANY SORT, IT IS AT LEAST PRESUMPTIVELY A PUBLIC RECORD , MAY NOT BE A DISPOSABLE PUBLIC RECORD, PRIVILEGE STILL APPLIES , BUT IT IS IN PLAY AND SOMETHING POTENTIALLY DISPOSABLE. THIS TAKE AWAY , TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DEVICES, A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP YOUR BUSINESS COMMUNICATIONS SEPARATE FROM YOUR PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS.

NOT YOUR PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS WOULD BE DISCLOSED, ONLY SEE THE RELATED BUSINESS. SOMETIMES THINGS GET OUT, SOMETIMES THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO GET OUT GET OUT ACCIDENTALLY SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE. IT IS ALSO ONE OF THOSE THINGS, DON'T PUT EVERYTHING IN WRITING YOU WOULD NOT SAY PUBLICLY. THOSE CAN COME BACK TO BITE YOU . I HAVE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE ELECTED OFFICIALS GET INTO DIALOGUES WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC VIA TEXT , THEY SAY UNKIND THINGS AT IT IS ON A WEBSITE , BOARD MEMBER SO AND SO WAS CRITICIZING ME. YOU WANT TO SAVE YOURSELF

EMBARRASSMENT. >> CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW , IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A PUBLIC RECORD ON THE PHONE ?

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>> THERE IS THE CHALLENGING PART , WE AS STAFF HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO APPROACH YOU AND SAY , WE HAVE RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR A COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO SOME PARTICULAR SUBJECT YOU MAY HAVE THOSE IN YOUR DISTRICT ISSUED DEVICE OR PERSONAL LIFE , THE DIFFERENT DEVICE CAN EASILY ACCESS BECAUSE THEY CONTROL IT . YOUR PERSONAL DEVICE IS TRICKY BECAUSE NONE OF US WAS DEPUTIZED TO KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR , BREAK INTO IT , WE CANNOT DO THAT , THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF AN HONOR SYSTEM. I WOULD SAY, WHEN YOU ARE TEXTING OR EMAILING PEOPLE, THERE IS SOMEBODY ON THE OTHER END WHO HAS THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO MISREPRESENT YOU NEVER SENT A TEXT TO SOMEBODY AND LATER FIND OUT SOMEBODY HAS THAT TEXT. IT IS INCUMBENT UPON YOU TO BE AS CANDID AS

YOU CAN. >> WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR PEOPLE TO USE A DEVICE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO THEIR

OFFICE? >> YES . WHAT I HAVE SEEN OFFICIALS DO , EVEN THOUGH OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PERSONAL PHONE , THEY WILL HAVE AN AUTOMATIC REPLY THAT SAYS , FOR BUSINESS QUERIES , DIRECTED TO THIS PHONE , SO IT KEEPS THINGS SEPARATE AND AVOIDS EMBARRASSING YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> STAFF IS SUBJECT TO THE

SAME RULES, CORRECT? >> YES. THEORETICALLY, SOMEBODY COULD APPROACH THE DA AND HAVE THE JUDGE COMMEND YOU TO RELEASE YOUR PHONE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING BUSINESS-RELATED.

NATURAL BREAK? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I AM SO SORRY ARE RECONVENING AT 7:35. BEFORE GOING TO FORM 700 ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT?

>> YES , THERE WAS A LINE THAT SAID DOCUMENTS COULD BE RELEASED , REDACTED, IS THERE AN AMOUNT -- LIKE , THE DISTRICT -- OR , RECORDS CANNOT BE REDACTED , --

>> THERE IS NO POINT IN RELEASING IT ? THAT WOULD BE A GAUGE THAT LEGAL COUNSEL WOULD SAY, IF WE HAVE TO REDACT 90% OF THIS, WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD WITHHOLD IT. IF WE KNOW THEY WANT THE 1% THAT IS ABLE TO BE RELEASED, WE WOULD RELEASE IT AND IT WOULD GO BACK TO WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR AND HOW THEY ASKED. IT IS VERY SPECIFIC.

>> IT WOULD BE CASE SPECIFIC. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A STANDARD FOR HOW MUCH GETS REDACTED.

>> IT DEPENDS ON IF WHAT IS STATED IS ACTUALLY PRIVILEGED.

>> HOW SPECIFIC WOULD A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO BE? THEY CAN SAY, I WANT TO LOOK AT YOUR PHONE . ABOUT THE

PHONE ISSUE? >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC INTENT TO GET SOMETHING SPECIFIC?

>> THAT IS A CONSTANT STRUGGLE. WE GET REQUESTS THAT ARE VERY METICULOUS , WRITTEN BY ATTORNEYS, IT IS VERY SPECIFIC. YOU HAVE REQUESTS WRITTEN BY NON-LAWYER PEOPLE WHO SPEAK IN BROAD TERMS . UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, WE HAVE A DUTY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WE CANNOT SAY, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, WE REJECT IT, YOU HAVE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND . ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SOMETHING RELATED TO THIS ? IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO ASK THE RECORDS KEEPERS TO REACH OUT BACK TO THE REQUESTER AND SAY, CAN YOU

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THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO WORK WITH PEOPLE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. ARMSTRONG , QUESTIONS

, COMMENTS? >> I HAVE TWO, DUTY TO RESPOND, IS AS UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES, CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE?

>> 14 DAY EXTENSION ? >> YES.

>> FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETIMES OUR DOCUMENTS BEING REQUESTED, THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE BECAUSE THE DISTRICT HAS SO MUCH STAFF , IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, I WANT A COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THIS PERSON AND THIS PERSON REGARDING THIS, WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT AND IF 10 DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE IT, YOU NEED TIME TO EXTEND BECAUSE IN THE 10 DAYS YOU CANNOT SAY WHETHER YOU HAVE IT OR NOT. YOU STATE THAT YOU ARE EXTENDING THE 14 DAYS, WHICH GIVES YOU 24 DAYS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE , CALL THE DETERMINATION LETTER , AND SAY, WE DO HAVE IT AND WILL PRODUCE IT IN A WEEK BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REDACT IT, OR HERE YOU GO, OR WE DON'T HAVE IT AND THE

REQUEST IS CLOSED. >> SOMETIMES THINGS ARE OFF-SITE OR ARCHIVED AND IT WILL TAKE EXTRA TIME TO RETRIEVE IT. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE . YOU CANNOT USE THE 14 DAY EXTENSION TO JUST DELAY HAVING TO PRODUCE IT. YOU CAN SET A TIMEFRAME FOR PRODUCING STUFF .

SOME PEOPLE ASK FOR WHAT I LIKE TO CALL FILE CABINET REQUESTS, WHERE THEY WANT EVERYTHING IN YOUR FILE CABINET. THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WILL BE NOT PRODUCED IN 10 DAYS, 24 DAYS , IT COULD TAKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AT WE TRY TO DO IT ON A ROLLING BASIS SO WE CAN GET

THEM STUCK AS THEY REVIEW IT. >> SECOND QUESTION, OUR ORGANIZATIONS ABLE TO CHARGE FOR THE COPYING FEES ? HOW DOES

THAT WORK ? >> YOU CAN ONLY RECOVER THE SECOND PAGE, EVERY ORGANIZATION SHOULD HAVE A PAGE COPY FEE AND IT SHOULD BE THE SAME FOR PRA, WE CANNOT CHARGE FOR STAFF TIME SPENT REQUIRING THE DOCUMENTS, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT EVERYTHING FROM 2010 TO PRESENT, IT TAKES SO MUCH STAFF TIME, WE CANNOT RECOVER THAT, YOU CAN ONLY

RECOVER THE COPY FEE . >> PEOPLE CAN GET STUCK IN DIGITAL FORM BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE MUCH COST.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE WILL WRAP UP WITH FORM 700 AND THAT IS THE STATEMENT OF ECONOMIC INTEREST, SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORD, DISCLOSURE UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT FILED WITH THE CLERK AND IS SUBJECT TO PENALTIES FOR LATE FILING. THIS IS JUST A COPY OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHO IT APPLIES TO YOU IT APPLIES TO MOST DEPARTMENT HEADS , CERTAIN MID-MANAGEMENT SUPERVISORS AND EMPLOYEES, AND THIS IS A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF COMMON INTERESTS , I WILL BRIEFLY COVER THE REPORTABLE INTERESTS , INCLUDING THOSE HELD IN THE IRA OR 401(K) , BUSINESS ENTITIES SUCH AS SULFUR PARTNERSHIPS , LLCS, CORPORATIONS, TRUSTS, RENTAL PROPERTIES , NONGOVERNMENTAL SALARIES AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS , AND SPOUSE OR REGISTERED DOMESTIC PARTNERS, GIFTS FROM BUSINESSES , SPORTING EVENTS , ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS, TRAVEL PAYMENTS FROM THIRD PARTIES. NOW YOU ARE SPARED MY VOICE.

700, THAT IS THE LOW HANGING FRUIT OF WHAT PEOPLE GET IN TROUBLE , THEY JUST FORGET TO REPORT EVERYTHING . A LOT OF TIMES, WHAT IS TRAGIC IT IS MORE THE RESULT OF OVERSIGHT THAN ANY SORT OF MALFEASANCE. IT IS IMPORTANT , IF IN DOUBT, OVER-REPORTS. IF YOU HAVE A SENSITIVITY FOR SOMETHING BEING REPORTED OR QUESTIONS , JUST REACH OUT TO US. IT CAN GET VERY FACT SPECIFIC . THE WATCHDOG AGENCY IN CHARGE OF

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THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HAVE A FIDUCIARY DUTY AS ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES TO ACT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. AND TO BE FAIR. TO DISCHARGE YOUR DUTIES IN A WAY THAT IS FAIR AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH ESTABLISHED PROCEDURES AND LAWS. YOU WERE NOT TO ACT IN YOUR OWN PERSONAL SELF-INTEREST OR IN YOUR OWN VICE. YOU CAN HAVE OPINIONS , BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE OPEN-MINDED AND WILLING TO LISTEN. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU PAGES YOU HERE, BUT HAVE A DUTY TO BE OPEN-MINDED AND RESPECTFUL OF OTHERS. I WANT TO GO TO THESE .

THE FIRST ONE IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO COME AS A SURPRISE TO YOU. DID YOU KNOW BRIBERY IS ILLEGAL? YOU CANNOT , THIS IS ACADEMIC, YOU CANNOT TRADE YOUR BOAT FOR PERSONAL COMPENSATION FOR PERSONAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS WHERE IT IS EXPLICITLY THAT YOU ARE ONLY VOTING AWAY FOR ANY BENEFIT. AS THE SLIDE SAYS, ANYTHING SOLICITING OR RECEIVING A BENEFIT IN EXCHANGE FOR OTHER ACTIONS. HERE IS A SIMPLE TRUE AND FALSE QUESTION, TECHNICALLY, BRIBERY ONLY INVOLVES THE EXCHANGE OF AN OFFICIAL ACTION OF MONEY? ANYTHING OTHER THAN A BAG WITH THE $IS NOT BRIBERY? MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, YOU ARE FREE TO CHIME IN . FALSE, IT INCLUDES CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, OFFERING JOBS, GIFTS , A LOT OF THINGS , ANYTHING OF VALUE OR BENEFIT.

THE PENALTIES FOR BRIBERY , IT CAN BE A FELONY, WHICH MEANS YOU COULD , IF FOUND GUILTY , UP TO FOUR YEARS IN STATE PRISON. YOU CAN LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO HOLD OFFICE. YOU CAN ALSO FACE FEDERAL PROSECUTION. THE FBI AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ARE OUT THERE AND PRODUCING THIS. TRAGICALLY , WE HAVE KNOWN ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE MADE RECKLESS AND BAD DECISIONS AND THE LIVES HAVE BEEN TURNED UPSIDE DOWN AS A RESULT. SOME OF THEM ARE OTHERWISE GOOD PEOPLE WHO MADE VERY BAD JUDGMENT CALLS. THE LAW THAT YOU PROBABLY ARE GOING TO ENCOUNTER THE MOST IN YOUR DECISION-MAKING CAPACITY , WITH ITEMS OF BUSINESS COME BEFORE YOU , WHAT IS CALLED THE POLITICAL REFORM ACT. THIS IS THE OVERARCHING THEME, WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION , THEY SHOULD NOT BE INFLUENCED BY HOW THOSE DECISIONS WILL IMPACT SOME FINANCIAL INTEREST YOU HAVE, WHETHER YOUR SALARY, YOUR PROPERTY , SOME OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES THAT STEPHANIE IDENTIFIED IN FORM 700. BUT THERE IS A FOUR PART TEST. I AM NOT EXPECTING ANYBODY HERE TO REMEMBER THE FOUR PART TEST. WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, THESE ISSUES CAN BE VERY FACT INTENSIVE. THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF INTERESTS, THERE ARE RULES , EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES, EXCEPTIONS TO THE EXCEPTIONS OF THE RULES, A LOT IS FACT INTENSIVE AND I WANT TO STRESS THAT THE BEST WAY FOR US TO HELP GUIDE YOU WHEN TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE A DISQUALIFYING CONFLICT OF INTEREST , IS TO SPEAK WITH US AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE AND PROVIDE US WITH AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE, THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN MAKE APPROPRIATE ANALYSIS ON BEHALF . HEARING ABOUT A CONFLICT THE NATIVE A MEETING OR FIVE MINUTES BEFORE A VOTE, IT IS HARD FOR US TO OFFER AN OPINION. JUST BOW OUT , THAT IS THE ONLY DECISION AND GOOD ADVICE ON THE TOPIC OF ADVICE , WHAT I WANT TO STRESS, THIS IS NOT A COPOUT ON MY PART, RELYING ON THE ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL WHEN YOU HAVE A DISQUALIFYING FINANCIAL INTEREST DOES NOT INOCULATE YOU FROM PENALTY OR PUNISHMENT. THE ONLY BODY THAT CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME COVER IS THE FPPC ITSELF . THE FPPC WILL

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IF IT IS BETWEEN 501,000, THERE IS A REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL. A LOT OF FACTORS ABOUT HOW THE DECISION MAY AFFECT YOUR INCOME PRODUCING CAPACITY OR THE PROPERTY VALUE.

THIS COMES UP A LOT . PLANNING COMMISSIONS FOR CITIES, THEY ARE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. THEY LIVE CLOSE TO MANY PROJECTS THEY ARE VOTING ON. SOMETIMES THEY CANNOT VOTE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO CLOSE AND IT IS PRESUMED THAT THE EFFECT OF THE PROJECT WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF DISQUALIFYING IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY. ANYTHING ABOVE 1000 FEET PRESUMPTIVELY NOT A CONFLICT. AS I SAID EARLIER, SOURCES OF INCOME, IF SOMEONE PROVIDED YOU OR PROMISES YOU MORE THAN $509 IN THE PRIOR MONTH, YOUR EMPLOYER MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ANOTHER SOURCE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A DISQUALIFYING CONFLICT , IF THE PERSON WHO WAS THE

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THAT IS AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. ON WHAT YOU RECEIVE. MANY TIMES GIFTS CAN BE A COMMON SOURCE OF DISQUALIFICATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE NOT DISCLOSED WHEN THEY EXCEED THE $590 LIMIT INDICATED ON THE SLIDE .

THE MORE DANGEROUS CATEGORY IS PERSONAL FINANCES. I CAN'T DESCRIBE THAT GENERALLY, A CATCHALL. THAT IS AN INTRICATE ANALYSIS. BASICALLY, ANY DECISION THAT COMES BEFORE YOU WHICH HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HIT YOU IN THE WALLET , THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS SOMETHING YOU COULD BE DISQUALIFIED ON.

WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND , JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DISQUALIFYING CONFLICT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE A CORRUPT PERSON OR A BAD PERSON, THE LAW CREATES THESE GUARDRAILS PEOPLE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN AND IT IS PRESUMED THAT , IF YOU HAVE INTERESTS THAT ARE OF A CERTAIN VALUE, YOU ARE ASKED TO SIT THIS ONE OUT. THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE A BAD PERSON.

HERE IS THE CRUCIAL DANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW . IF YOU HAVE CONCLUDED YOU HAVE A DISQUALIFYING CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENTAL DECISION, FIRST, YOU MUST TECHNICALLY SPEAKING IDENTIFY WHAT THE INTEREST IS FROM THE DAIS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE THAT . YOU HAVE TO STEP DOWN FROM THE DAIS. THIS IS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN RECUSAL AND ABSTENTION, PEOPLE WILL TELL ME IT IS OKAY I WILL ABSTAIN. THEY WILL SIT BACK IN THE CHAIR AND SAY, "WE ARE GOOD?" NO, YOU ARE STILL PART OF THE CORM, ABSTENTION MEANS YOU ARE POTENTIALLY PART OF THE LIBERATION ON THE DECISION.

THAT MEANS THAT YOU ARE STILL USING HER INFLUENCE IN SOME WAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE NOT VOTING. YOU ARE STILL INVOLVED.

WHEN YOU HAVE A DISQUALIFYING CONFLICT OF INTEREST, YOU MUST RECUSE HERSELF, THAT LITERALLY MEANS YOU HAVE TO STEP OFF THE DAIS AND LEAVE THE ROOM, YOU CANNOT BE A PART OF THE DECISION-MAKING. YOU ARE OUT OF THE PICTURE. YOUR COLLEAGUES WILL MAKE THE DECISION. YOU SHOULD CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE LEFT THE ROOM. YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.

SOMETIMES THE ONLY RECORD YOU HAVE ARE THE MINUTES AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY REFLECT YOU LEFT THE ROOM. THERE IS THIS EXCEPTION WHICH I CAUTION PEOPLE AGAINST, THIS IDEA THAT YOU CAN STILL SHOW UP AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM NARROWLY ABOUT HOW IT MAY AFFECT YOU. THAT IS AN EXCEPTION, NOT ONE THAT I ADVISE PEOPLE TO BECAUSE IT IS SO EASY, WHAT YOU ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING , YOU WILL CROSS A LIGHT AND VARIABLE AND MAKE IT INTO THE REALM OF IMPROPER PARTICIPATION . YOUR COLLEAGUES KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

YOU ARE PART OF THE BODY . I DISCOURAGE THAT QUITE A BIT.

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, ALWAYS SOME OTHER PERSON WHO CAN USUALLY MAKE THE POINTS YOU WANT TO. PENALTIES FOR FAILURE TO DISQUALIFY YOURSELF OR TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IT COULD INVALIDATE THE DECISION . THAT IS BAD FOR YOUR COLLEAGUES BECAUSE SOME DECISION THEY THOUGHT WAS FINAL WILL HAVE TO BE REDONE WERE UNDONE IN CERTAIN INSTANCES , AND I COULD GET VERY MESSY. IT IS A MISDEMEANOR. LIKE BRIBERY IT COULD RESULT IN LOSING OFFICE, FINDS, AND WHAT NEWSPAPER HEADLINE OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO DID SOMETHING WRONG. YOU DO NOT WANT THAT TO BE YOU BECAUSE IT FOLLOWS YOU UNTIL THE END OF YOUR LIFE AND NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH. SMITH WHO WOULD INITIATE

THOSE ACTIONS? >> THAT WOULD USUALLY BE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY FOR THE CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL, BOTH ARE AUTHORIZED TO FILE CHARGES FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAWS. THIS IS A TOPIC -- I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON TO 1090, IT IS A COUSIN TO THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST WORLD . 1090 IS A LAW THAT PREDATED THE POLITICAL REFORM ACT , THE FOUR PART TEST THAT I DID. IT IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO INTEREST IN CONTRACTS. THE IDEA IS THAT YOU CANNOT VOTE ON A MATTER -- A CONTRACT YOU HAVE AN

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BECAUSE HE HAS AN INTEREST IN THE CONTRACT. TONIGHT HE DOES NOT CARE IF THE DEAL IS A GOOD DEAL OR BAD DEAL, IF IT AFFECTS YOU IN ANY WAY IT IS A VIOLATION. IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO RECUSE YOURSELF. YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN THE BOARD CANNOT PARTICIPATE IF YOU DO NOT RECUSE HERSELF. A BIG TAKE AWAY FROM 1090. HERE IS WHERE 1090 CAN MAYBE BAIL YOU OUT. THIS IS VERY FACT SPECIFIC AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST . THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXISTING -- EXCEPTIONS TO TO 90, SOME ARE CALLED REMOTE INTERESTS, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE AN INTEREST BUT IT IS KIND OF ATTENUATED ENOUGH FOR YOU CANNOT REALLY BE APPEARING TO BE DOING IF YOU WANT BY PARTICIPATING IN THE VOTE. AND SOME NONINTEREST THAT YOU MAY HAVE -- A SOLID FROM A GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYER FOR EXAMPLE, THE GOVERNMENT IS A NONPROFIT AGENCY AND NOBODY IS PROFITING. IN REMOTE INTERESTS, THAT MAKE THE TONIGHT PROBLEM MORE AND YOU CAN RECUSE YOURSELF. AND YOUR COLLEAGUES COULD VOTE ON IT.

YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL IF YOU CAN FIT INTO ONE OF THE COUPLE OF DOZEN SPECIFIC, FACT SPECIFIC CATEGORIES THAT ALLOW IT TO BE DECLARED REMOTE INTEREST . NONINTEREST , ABOUT 15 OR SO. ENUMERATED NONINTEREST WHICH YOU CAN PARTICIPATE. THERE IS A RULE OF NECESSITY WHICH, OCCASIONALLY , IT COMES UP, I DON'T KNOW I WOULD APPLY IT IN THE TONIGHT CONTEXT THAT OFTEN, BUT LET'S SAY, THIS COMES , SOME DECISIONS THE BOARD HAS TO MAKE. IT AFFECTS SOME PERSON WHO HAS SOME RIGHT TO HAVE A MATTER DISPOSED OF OR ADDRESSED BY A BOARD. OR BY WHATEVER BODY IS RESPONSIBLE.

TO USE THE CITY EXAMPLE, IF A DEVELOPER COMES WITH AN ENTITLEMENT PROJECT, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION, THE BOARD CANNOT JUST THAT YOU WILL BE IN LIMBO FOREVER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO PUT TOGETHER A QUORUM. THERE IS AN IDEA CALLED THE RULE OF NECESSITY WHICH SAYS, IN LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES , FOR SOME DECISION IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY BY SOME NUMBER , ESSENTIALLY, WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS DRAW STRAWS AND EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY PRESUMPTIVELY HAVE A CONFLICT, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE . NEVER TAKE THE RULE OF NECESSITY DECISION ON YOUR OWN. IT HAS A LOT OF PITFALLS . IT IS OUT THERE AS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION IN SOME VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES. LET'S SEE HERE.

HOW ARE WE DOING ON TIME? DISTRICT CONTRACTS WITH A PRIVATE FIRM TO PERFORM DISTRICT EMPLOYEE DRUG TESTING.

AFTER AN EMPLOYEE IS IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, DRUG TESTING MUST BE EXPEDITIOUSLY COMPLETED BUT ONLY DRUG TEST ARE AVAILABLE IS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER SMITH, A DOCTOR WHO SERVES ON THE SCHOOL BOARD. THE ONLY OTHER QUALIFIED TESTERS ARE TOO FAR AWAY TO ENSURE THE ACCURACY OF THE TEST RESULTS.

THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A MANDATE TO DO SOMETHING, YOU CANNOT NOT DO SOMETHING. IN DOING SOMETHING, YOU ARE SORT OF SETTING SOMEBODY UP FOR A POTENTIAL

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THESE ARE NOT GUESSES YOU WANT TO MAKE ON YOUR OWN. YOU WANT TO SPEAK WITH PEOPLE ABOUT IT, PREFERABLY WITH A LOT OF TIME.

HERE ARE THE DRACONIAN EFFECTS OF VIOLATING 1090 .

NO INTEREST CONTRACTS , YOU CAN BE BARRED , THE DISTRICT IS BARRED FROM ENTERING A CONTRACT EVEN IF YOU WERE TO RECUSE YOURSELF . IT CANNOT BE VOTED ON . CONTRACT LATE IN VIOLATION , THEY ARE VOID AND UNENFORCEABLE. IT WILL HAVE BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT FOR NOTHING BECAUSE THE CONTRACT WILL BE CONSIDERED INVALID. GOOD FAITH RELIANCE ON US FOR LEGAL COUNSEL, THAT IS NOT A DEFENSE. WE WILL TRY TO GIVE YOU THE BEST DECISION BUT WE ARE NOT DEPUTIZED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH IMMUNITY IF THE ANSWER IS WRONG OR THE LAW CHANGES . OR IS INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY BY THE COURTS.

WILLFUL VIOLATION IS A PENALTY. $1000 FINE , STATE PRISON IT IS A LIFETIME DISQUALIFICATION. VERY SEVERE. A LOT MORE DRACONIAN THAN THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS BEFORE I GO ON TO THE NEXT SEGMENT OF SLIDES ? BEARING IN MIND, I PROBABLY CANNOT ANSWER VERY SPECIFIC -- DO I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? I WOULD HAVE TO ASK YOU A LOT OF PERSONAL QUESTIONS YOU PROBABLY DO NOT WANT TO BE ASKED. IF NOT, I CAN MOVE ON.

>> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN ACT , THERE WAS A CHANGE THAT WAS MADE TO THIS ACT. THE GENERAL RULE ON THE LEVINE ACT , YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN DECISIONS FOR WHICH YOU RECEIVED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS . NOT CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PERSONAL FINANCES, WHICH ARE A DISTINCT CATEGORY. THIS IS ONE THING I WANT TO BACK UP, THE POLITICAL FOR THIS THING WISHES BETWEEN THE MONEY RECEIVED FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT VERSUS MONEY RECEIVED AS PART OF YOUR CAMPAIGN , CONSIDERED TO BE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. MONEY RECEIVED FOR YOUR CAMPAIGN , THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY TRIGGER A DISQUALIFYING CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE. VERY FACT SPECIFIC BUT IT DEPENDS . THE GENERAL RULE ON CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE LONGEST TIME AND TO THIS DAY IS THAT , IF YOU RECEIVE ANYTHING IN EXCESS OF $250 FOR ANY PERSON COMING BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL OR ENTITLEMENT, YOU , AS AN OFFICIAL, ARE DISQUALIFIED FROM PARTICIPATING. THE GOOD NEWS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR THE LONGEST TIME WAS THAT , IF YOU ARE ACTING IN YOUR CAPACITY AS A MEMBER OF A BODY THAT YOU WERE DIRECTLY ELECTED TO THE PEOPLE , IF YOU WERE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE CITY COUNCIL , THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET THERE IS BEEN ELECTED, YOU WERE EXEMPT FROM THIS. THAT HAS NOT -- NOW CHANGED . YOU ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS EVERYBODY ELSE AND WHEN YOU RECEIVED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, YOU'RE ENTITLED , YOU ARE ACTING IN THE POLITICAL WORLD, YOU HAVE TO FUND YOUR CAMPAIGNS AND BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW ACCEPTING THAT MONEY, THAT COULD AFFECT HER ABILITY TO VOTE ON THE MATTER. IT DOES NO GOOD TO GIVE THE MONEY. SO, THAT IS THE KEY TAKE AWAY. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BE ATTUNED TO. SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. NOW I WILL TALK ABOUT FAIR PROCESS. THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AS A BODY FOR MAKING DECISIONS, YOU ARE SITTING IN THE CAPACITY OF A JUDGE. YOU ARE AN ADJUDICATOR.

THE QUASIJUDICIAL CAPACITY. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS APPLYING

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MAYBE YOU ARE BENEFITING IN SOME OTHER WAY , YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE KIWANIS CLUB AND WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR CLUB BEATS THE ROTARY CLUB. THAT MAY BE AN INSTANCE -- YOU ARE NOT GETTING FINANCIALLY BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT BEING FAIR AND IMPARTIAL TO ANOTHER BOTTLE. PERSONAL BIAS , THERE ARE MANY TIMES YOU ARE CONFRONTED WITH DECISIONS WHERE YOU HAVE SOME PERSONAL , STRONG PERSONAL OPPOSITION TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN GENERAL. YOU HAVE TO TO BASICALLY BE WILLING TO SUSPEND THAT AND APPLY THE LAW TO THE FACTS. ONE EXAMPLE I LIKE TO GIVE WAS , WE HAD A PUBLIC AGENCY CLIENT THAT HAD TO APPROVE A HALFWAY HOUSE. THE HALFWAY HOUSE HAD TO APPLY FOR I BELIEVE IT WAS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH HAS ITS OWN CRITERIA AND IF YOU MEET THE CRITERIA, YOU CAN REASONABLY SHOW THE FACTS, THE BODY HAS A REASONABLE RESPONSIBILITY TO PERHAPS GRANTED. HALFWAY HOUSES ARE UNPOPULAR. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD A LOT OF DECISION-MAKERS WHO -- THERE WERE AMPLE WAYS TO KILL THE PROJECT ON ITS MERITS, ON THE FACTS, BUT PEOPLE WANTED TO GRANDSON AND SAY THAT THEY WOULD NEVER ALLOW A HALFWAY HOUSE IN MY COMMUNITY, THOSE MAY BE VERY VALID CONCERNS , THEY ARE NOT PERTINENT TO THE DECISION. WHAT WAS FRUSTRATING , THERE WERE REASONS ROOTED IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN INVOKED AND FORMED THE BASIS FOR DECLINING THE PROJECT, BUT THEY WERE NEVER MENTIONED ON THE RECORD. WHEN THE DEVELOPER DID APPEAL THE MATTER, HE WENT TO THE COURT AND SAY THEY JUST TOTALLY BLINDSIDED ME , THEY MADE DECISIONS NOT ON THE CRITERIA , THE COURT AGREED AND THE CITY HAD TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. A PROJECT THEY COULD HAVE LEGITIMATELY REJECTED IF THEY HAD JUST STUCK TO THE PROPER CRITERIA. THAT IS A LITTLE DETAIL THE LAST ONE IS FACTUAL BIAS. THIS GETS BACK TO THE IDIOT YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR DECISIONS BASED ON ALL OF THE INPUT YOU GET. YOU SHOULD NOT JUST CLOSE YOUR EARS TO ONE SIDE AND SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHER HEIGHT HAS TO SAY. YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN TO RECEIVING ALL THE INFORMATION. ONCE YOU DO WITH IT ON THE DAIS IS UP TO YOU, AS LONG AS YOU ARE ACTING WITHIN REASON.

YOU WANT TO AVOID FACTUAL BIAS. AS I SAID , THERE ARE CERTAIN RISKS , THE RISK OF THE DECISION COULD BE SET ASIDE EVEN IF THERE WAS AN EXTREME SHOWING OF BIAS. IF THE

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YOU CANNOT USE THE RESOURCES TO FIND -- FUND YOUR REAL ESTATE BUSINESS , YOU CANNOT HAVE STAFF PEOPLE HANDING OUT FLYERS FOR YOUR HOTDOG STAND OR PICKING UP DRY CLEANING, THAT IS A MISUSE OF PUBLIC RESOURCES. THIS TOUCHES BACK ON SOME OF THE ISSUES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH CONCRETE -- CONFLICT OF INTEREST. DO YOU WANT TO WRAP IT UP? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE QUESTIONS? LOOK, I WOULD JUST BE 68. YOU NEED TO USE RESOURCES FOR CITY RELATED BUSINESS. YOU CANNOT USE THEM FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL GAIN OR YOUR OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT. THEY ARE PROVIDED TO YOU AND AVAILABLE TO YOU TO DISCHARGE YOUR DUTIES. YOU HAVE THE SLIDES . THERE ARE CIVIL PENALTIES FOR MISUSING RESOURCES, WHETHER MONEY OR STAFF TIME. THERE ARE ALSO CRIMINAL PENALTIES. YOU CANNOT MAKE THESE RESOURCES AVAILABLE IN PARTIES, THAT IS A GIFT OF PUBLIC FUNDS, YOU CANNOT REWARD YOUR FRIENDS BY GIVING THEM PUBLIC BENEFITS. IT HAS TO BE IN THE SERVICE OF THE PUBLIC PURPOSE, THAT IS DEFINED BY THE SPOTTY AS A BODY AND NOT INDIVIDUALLY. YOU WANT TO SAFEGUARD YOUR REPUTATION. THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST VALUABLE THING YOU WILL EVER OWN IN YOUR LIFE. HERE ARE SOME RESOURCES FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I WILL ZIP IT AT

THIS POINT. >> THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? IN ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, SAY , FOR INSTANCE I AM A MEMBER OF SOME CLUB, MY CLUB WANTS TO HAVE A MEETING , WE HAVE FACILITIES THAT WE LET -- WE LET GIRL SCOUTS USE. IF I WANTED MY CLUB TO HAVE A MEETING , IF I COULD USE A SCHOOL -- IF I MAKE A REQUEST TO USE A FACILITY , BUT WHAT IF I WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR LIVE STREAMING CAPABILITIES , WOULD I BE ABLE TO USE MY CLUB FOR THOSE PURPOSES ?

>> FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT ON THE SAME TERMS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED FOR EVERYONE ELSE. IF THERE IS SOME PROCESS FOR ALLOWING CLUBS TO USE FACILITIES , USE EQUIPMENT , AS LONG AS YOU ARE AVAILING YOURSELF SO THAT ON

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THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY. >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

AS A BOARD MEMBER, CAN I BE VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT IF I TAKE ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE? IF I TRY TO INTERVENE IN THE CAMPUS OR BE A TEACHER, WOULD I BE VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT ? IF I STEP OUT OF MY ROLE TO WHERE HE IS MY ONLY EMPLOYEE.

VIOLATION BUT A VIOLATION OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE JOB , YOU MAY SHARE AN INTEREST WITH A PRINCIPAL OR THEY MAY BE A LONGTIME PERSONAL FRIENDS. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE FRIENDS AND THE NORMAL PERSON. WHAT YOU CANNOT DO AS AN INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER IS USURPED THE AUTHORITY OF BOTH THE BOARD TO SET THE COURSE AND MAKE POLICY, AND THE PREROGATIVE OF THE EXECUTIVE TO IMPLEMENT THAT POLICY , YOU CANNOT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE. YOU CAN'T DIRECT THEM AND CAN'T PROMISE THEM ANYTHING.

>> AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ALREADY THIS WAS YOU CAN ELABORATE IF YOU WANT TO. AS AN ELECTED BOARD MEMBER, I REPRESENT ALL CONSTITUENTS. HOW DO I PROTECT THE DISTRICT AND BOARD WHEN INDIVIDUALS BRING COMPLAINTS TO

MY A? >> THIS IS COMMON. YOU ARE THE FIRST LINE OF CONTENT THE PUBLIC HAS. THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ONES BEHIND THE SCENES. THE YOU'RE THE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH PEOPLE, GREW UP IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE TO RECEIVE THOSE CONCERNS. I WOULD COMMIT IT WOULD BE BLINDED, PROSPECTS FOR RE-ELECTION. ONCE YOU RECEIVE COMPLAINTS. YOUR OBLIGATION IS NOT SINGLE HANDILY GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO RIGHT WRONG. YOU NEED TO -- MY SUGGESTION IS CONTACT THE SUPERINTENDENT, EXPLAIN WHAT HAS BEEN CONVEYED TO YOU. PERHAPS HE CAN CONVEY IT AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. IF IT'S BIGGER CONSEQUENCE, MAYBE IT'S TO THE BOARD FOR MORE POLICY CONSTRUCTION. THE COMMUNITY PUTS A LO OF EXPECTATIONS ON YOU TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT OR GOOD. THEY WANT YOU TO BE RESPONSIVE. I GET THAT. IT'S A 24-7 JOB. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO

OVERPROMISE OR OVERSTEP. >> LASTLY, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE EXAMPLES OF THE BROWN ACT AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST. YOU FAVE US A LOT OF EXAMPLES. I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

IS MAYBE I'M ASKING FOR EXAMPLES IN THE FUTURE.

>> WE'RE AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO TALK. OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE SUPERINTENDENT. WE WANT TO BE A RESOURCE FOR HELPING YOU AVOID

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IT IF WE CAN. >> HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ?

>> NO, I DON'T. THANK YOU. WE TALKED ABOUT BROWN ACT. WE MENTIONED AT BEGINNING THE ETHICS. I'M CURIOUS THIS MAY BE OFF TOPIC. WHEN IT COMES TO BOARD ETHICS AND VIOLATING BYLAWS, HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS ISSUES AND MOVE FORWARD?

>> THAT COMES UP A LOT. YOU DON'T GO TO JAIL FOR VIOLATING A BOARD BYLAW. THEY'RE NOT STATE CRIMES. THEY'RE THE RULES OF THIS BODY. THE BODY HAS THE RIGHT TO INSURE YOU FOLLOW THE RULES THAT ARE SET. TYPICALLY YOU'RE THE BODY'S AVENUE FOR POLICING VIOLATIONS. MOST COMMON IS SEN SURE, A FORMAL SLAP ON THE HAND. NOBODY CAN REMOVE YOU FROM OFFICE. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN WE MOVE YOU ARE VOTERS THAT LOSE THE NEXT ELECTION OR YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO BE IN OFFICE. CENSURE IS AN OPTION. SOME MAY VIOLATE BY NO COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THEY MAY SEEM LIKE SLAPS ON THE WRIST. THERE'S LIMITATIONS TO REMOVE YOU. THIS BOARD CANNOT DO THAT.

>> I MENTION THAT IN THE GREEN BROWN ACT DIFFERENCES, WE HAVE COMMITTEES THAT FOLLOW THE GREEN ACT AS OPPOSED TO THE .

>> DID YOU MAKE IT UP? >> THERE'S A GREEN ACT. SO YEAH, I THINK TO HIS POINT, CAN YOU SPEAK TO BOARD COMMISSIONED COMMITTEES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO BROWN ACT?

>> EVERY PUBLIC BODY HAS STANDING COMMITTEES MADE UP LESS THAN A QUORUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS. BECAUSE THEY'RE STANDING COMMITTEES AND PRESUMPIVELY PART OF THE LARGER VETTING AND DELIBERATION PROCESS T THOUGHT IS THAT UNDER THE BROWN ACT IS THE WORKINGS OF THOSE COMMITTEES SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE THIS INDEFINITE TERM, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, DOESN'T NEED TO BE ELABORATE AGENDA. ENOUGH TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT ISSUES YOU'LL BE ADDRESSING.

>> THAT IS THE CASE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WHAT ARE CALLED ADHOC COMMITTEE. IT'S USUALLY COMMITTED TO SOLVE A SPECIFIC PROBLEM. ONCE THAT RECOMMENDATION IS COME UP WITH AND PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, IT GOES AWAY. AS THOSE COMMITTEES MAINTAIN QUALITIES, DO NOT NEED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT. SOMETIMES BODIES CREATE ADHOCS AND KEEP GOING AND GOING. THEY GET OTHER TASKS. THEY'RE MISSION GROWS AND THEY BECOME STANDING

COMMITTEES. >> IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE FURTHERING OF THE COMMITTEE COMMISSIONED BY THE BOARD SO THAT WAY THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO DELIBERATE THE WHOLE TIME WITH THE COMMISSION OR GROUP TO DO IT.

>> YEAH. I MEAN, YOU ARE CONFRONTED WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. YOU NEED PEOPLE TO FOCUS SPECIFICALLY SO THEY CAN DIGEST IT IN A WAY. THE SAFETY CITIZENS TASK FORCE

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>> THE GROUP THAT HAS APPOINTED PEOPLE. EACH BOARD MEMBER APPOINTS A MEMBER TO BE ON THAT CITY COUNCIL. EACH ONE OF OUR SCHOOL SITES APPOINTS SOMEBODY TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.

>> IT'S AN INDEFINITE DURATION. IF IT'S CONTINUOUS, IT HAS THIS SORT OF ONGOING AUTHORIZATION EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MEAN ALL THAT FREQUENTLY. IT'S KIND OF TAKING ON MORE OF A REGIONAL

FLAVOR. >> IT OVERSEES THE COMMITTEE AND TASK FORCE. THAT'S WHAT OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. SOUNDS LIKE A

STANDING COMMITTEE. >> I'M MORE CONFUSED NOW. I FOUND THE GREEN ACT. I E-MAILED IT TO MYSELF.

>> I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. I'M ON ONE OF THE COMMITTEES. I'M WITH THE SCHOOL TRUSTEE AUTHORIZATION. THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE. IT'S A NON PROFIT. THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE.

>> I WONDER IF THE INABOUT OF THE TASK FORCE TAKING DECISIVE ACTION HAS TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT. THEY GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS BROUGHT TO THE BOARD. THE BOARD MAKES A LEGISLATIVE BODY. THE TASK FORCE REVIEWS MATERIALS AND TELLS THE BOARD WE LIKE THE TEXTBOOK. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO ACT ON IT.

>> WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING SOUNDS LIKE A COMMITTEE.

THEY'RE PART OF THE MAKING. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY'RE GOING AWAY AND DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY'RE SET FOR CONFIGURATION. MAYBE THAT'S AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION. MAYBE I

CAN BETTER INFORM MYSELF. >> ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. SO CURRENTLY I'M THE SITTING BOARD PRESIDENT. I HAVE ACCESS TO YOU AND LAWYERS. I CAN GO THROUGH THE DOCTOR. NEXT YEAR I WILL NOT BE BOARD PRESIDENT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MAYBE SOMETHING THAT I AM ENGAGED IN, OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY, WOULD AFFECT ANY DELIBERATION GOING ON. HOW DO I GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU OR SHOULD? WHAT'S THE

PROCESS? >> DIFFERENT PUBLIC AGENCIES HAVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES. SOME ARE LAX AND DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS CALL US AND WE'LL FIELD QUESTIONS. IN THE INTEREST OF OBTAINING COSTS AND MAKING SURE ATTORNEYS AREN'T BURNING TIME ON THINGS THE BOARD ISN'T TOO INTERESTED IN ON BURNING TIME ON, I WOULD GO THROUGH YOUR SUPERINTENDENT FIRST. IF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHATEVER YOUR BOARD POLICY IS AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE UNDUELING BURDENSOME, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HELP. WE'RE HAPPY TO BE AVAILABLE TO YOU, HOWEVER AVAILABLE YOU ALL AS A BODY WANT US TO BE. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PROBLEMS CAN BE AVOIDED WHEN YOU HAVE EARLY CONVERSATIONS AND WE CAN ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CHEW ON THINGS AND GIVE YOU BETTER ADVICE.

>> THAT IS JUST DUE TO OUR ON BOARD POLICY IN PLACE. WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND IF WE NEED TO AMEND IT.

>> BASICALLY THE SOCIAL CONTRACT WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS AMONGST THEMSELVES AND STAFF AND ALL THAT. CAN YOU SPEAK TO YOUR EXPERIENCE OF WHEN WE DON'T FOLLOW THE BYLAWS, WHAT

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THINGS LIKE THAT. >> YEAH. I MEAN, JUST BROADLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOU DON'T -- WHEN THERE'S NO COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE RULES ARE, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP IN BOARDS AND BODIES BECOMING DYSFUNCTIONAL. IT ERODES TRUST.

THERE'S A FEELING THAT PEOPLE AREN'T PLAYING BY THE RULES.

PEOPLE WILL MAKE UP THEIR OWN RULES TO GET THEIR WAY. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ADHERE TO THE BYLAWS. IT'S ALSO VERY BENEFICIAL FOR STAFF. YOUR FIVE BOSSES MAY NOT ALWAYS WANT THINGS A CERTAIN WAY. YOU MEET AS A BODY AND TRY TO BUILD CONSENSUS. IF YOU HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE GIVING FIVE DIFFERENT PIECES OF DIRECTION OUTSIDE A MEETING, THAT CAN BE FRUSTRATING FOR STAFF. ON THE PERSONNEL LEVEL, THE MORE YOU INVOLVE YOURSELF IN DIRECT ENGAGEMENT AND MANAGEMENT WHERE THE BYLAWS PROHIBIT YOU FROM DOING SO, YOU'RE AT RISK OF CREATING WORK PLACE ISSUES AS WELL.

>> I'M SORRY. >> IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS A

QUESTION. >> HE WANTS TO BE EXCUSED FOR A MINUTE. HE'S ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO BE EXCUSED SO HE

CAN COME BACK. THAT'S PERSONAL. >> GRANTED.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION?

>> YES, THANK YOU. >> I HAD A COMMENT. I BELIEVE THERE'S A BOARD BYLAW THAT SAYS IF SOMEONE WAS GOING TO TALK TO A LAWYER, IT HAD TO BE VOTED ON. CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT?

>> OKAY. >> THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW. WE DON'T WANT TO GET YOU CROSS WISE WHEN YOU'RE IN BYLAWS.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. I HAVE TWO QUESTION.

ONE FOR HER. SAY IT DON'T SPRAY IT. ONE JUST A COMMENT. JUST A COMMENT. SO SHE STATED THAT SHE HAS ACCESS TO YOU ALL. DOES THAT MEAN WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO YOU ALL?

>> THAT IS A BYLAWS QUESTION WHICH I DON'T KNOW.

>> OKAY. >> WE'RE GOING TO CHECK WHAT THE BYLAW SAYS. THE PREVIOUS BOARD PROBABLY WROTE THE BYLAW.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. PROBABLY JUST THINKING RIGHT NOW THROUGH FRIDAY OR WHATNOT, I'M GOING TO PULL BYLAWS OF PERTINENT THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALWAYS IN FRONT TO SEE WHAT THE RULES ARE WE ESTABLISHED. IF WE WANT DIFFERENT, IT'S A MATTER OF VOTING IN AND CHANGING IT.

>> AGAIN, SORRY FOR PRACTICES TO WHERE LIKE IF WE DID HAVE A CONCERN OR THAT WE NEEDED LEGAL COUNSEL, WE WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE SUPERINTENDENT TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERN AND EITHER THE SUPERINTENDENT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE CONCERN FOR US AND BRING IT BACK TO US OR WE'D HAVE WHATEVER KIND OF MEETING.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE ANSWERED. THAT'S HOW IT HAS BEEN IN PAST PRACTICE. WE ALWAYS GO THROUGH THE SUPERINTENDENT. YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT OF -- A BIG BOOK OF BYLAWS THAT NEED TO BE REVIEWED. MY QUESTION IS LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE WE HAVE ANOTHER TOWN HALL, SO WE DID HAVE A TOWN HALL, WE HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS. IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING. WE HAD AN ISSUE WE NEEDED FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER. THE SET UP WAS CONFUSING. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A STAFF MEETING TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER WHEN I SAY THE SET UP WAS CONFUSED, WE HAD OUR BOARD RESPECT UP THERE WITH THE PANEL. THE BOARD MEMBERS ALONG WITH THE STAFF SITTING ON THE SIDE. IS IT STAFF MEETING OR BOARD MEETING TO WHERE, BECAUSE IF OUR PRESIDENT IS SITTING UP THERE, SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN RUNNING AT LEAST RUNNING THE MEETING. IT WASN'T A MEETING. IT WAS A TOWN HALL.

CERTAIN WAYS IT NEEDS TO BE. >> YOU WANT TO AVOID THAT AMBIGUITY. A GATHERING LIKE THAT STARTS TO TAKE ON THE ATTRIBUTES OF THE MEETING WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO TALK TO EACH OTHER, SHARE OPINIONS AND REACH CONSENSUS. THAT'S MORE OF A MEETING. IF YOU DIDN'T POST AGENDA, THAT'S POTENTIALLY A PROBLEM. TOWN HALLS ARE GOOD. IT'S BETTER WHEN YOU HAVE TOWN

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>> TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE. WE HAVE MEETINGS ALL THE TIME WHERE I HAVE BOARD MEMBERS THERE. THIS HAPPENED TO BE A TOWN HALL MEETING. I NEEDED LAW ENFORCEMENT, PRINCIPALS, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, CONSTITUENTS THERE I HAD A BOARD PRESIDENT COME SPEAK REPRESENTING THE BOARD MEMBER. OUR COMMUNITY SEES THAT WE HAVE A COALITION FROM PEOPLE SUPPORTING THE SITUATION. THE GOAL THERE WAS NOT HAVE THE BOARD MEMBER PEOPLE OH SPEAK TO IT BUT GATHER AND HAVE INFORMATION. LET'S SAY IF I DON'T SPEAK, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE, I GUESS MY TUTORING EVERYBODY IS SAYING THAT'S -- THAT WOULD BE A BOARD MEETING FOR THREE PEOPLE THAT

SPOKE. >> THERE'S A LOT OF FACTS THAT'S NEED THERE HAD. MORE IT STARTS TO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DELIBERATING AND DECISION MAKING AND DIDN'T AGENDAIZE IT AS SUCH OR AT ALL, THAT TAKES ON THE MEETING. YOU DON'T WANT TO SOUND APATHETIC TO WHAT'S GOING ON. MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION MAKING CLEAR AT THE BEGINNING YOU'RE NOT THERE TO COMMENT.

>> FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT AGAINST ALL THESE PRACTICES.

ONE OF THE RULES I THINK WE STARTED THE MEETING ALL WITH RULES OF THE PRESIDENT, THAT'S ONE WAY TO VOID THE BROWN ACT, PRESIDENT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IF YOU'RES THERE AS A MODERATOR OR M C, IT'S IMPORTANT THE REST OF YOU NOT DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO

MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A MEETING. >> SHE COULD BE YOUR DESIGNATED

REPRESENTATIVE. >> WE COULD LOOK AT THE BYLAWS AND THE PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT -- IT'S A QUESTION IF THE BOARD MEMBER IS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, THE QUESTION BECOMES SHOULD WE DELIBERATED ON THAT. IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO HAVE DELIBERATIONS.

>> I'D SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY BETTER OFF BEING MORE OF A MODERATOR MORE THAN A STATEMENT MAKER.

>> BOARD BYLAWS WITH REGARDS TO OUR ROLES. SHE PRESENTED THOSE TO US. THIS IS WHAT I WAS DOING IN THAT CASE JUST TO BE VERY

CLEAR. >> ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU SICK OF

ME NOW? READY TO SEND ME ON? >> QUESTION NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE BOARD. THE BOARD KNOWS ABOUT THE RULES. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS CONVERSATION IS SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE RULES OF ENGAGE. AND MAY UNFAIRLY CHARGE THE BOARD FOR SOMETHING. YOU'LL HAVE PUBLIC COME SPEAK THEIR PEACE. THEY'LL BRING UP CLOSE SESSION WE CAN NOT RESPOND TO. SOMETIMES THESE ARE EMOTIONAL. BOARD MEMBERS SIT THERE AND IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD NOT RESPONDING. WHAT'S A GOOD WAY TO COMMUNICATE THAT? YOU AS THE CHAIR COULD DO IT. I PERSONALLY PREFER TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF OF YOU. PROBABLY THE ATTORNEY CAN EMPHASIZE WHY THEY CAN NOT RESPOND TO COMMENTARY. THEY'RE LISTENING. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE SO SAY. YOU COULD DO IT THEORETICALLY.

>> WE HAVE A BOARD BYLAW THAT SPEAKS TO IT. INITIALLY WHEN I ENTERED THE BOARD ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. WE DID GO OVER IT. WE CAN PROVIDE IT ON IT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR AGENDAS LOOK LIKE. YOU DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION. YOU MAY WANT

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PUBLICLY. >> OUR PRESIDENT CAN DESEMINATE TO US AGAIN. REFRESHERS ARE ALWAYS GOOD. FOR REAL.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT WAS GREAT.

>> HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

YES, WE STILL HAVE TO CONTINUE THE MEETING. WE'LL TRY TO GET THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. LET'S GO OVER TO OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS WILL NOW BE MINUTES.

>> CAN WE GO BACK TO PUBLIC HEARING S?

>> SORRY I THOUGHT WE HAD GONE THROUGH THAT. WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING. NOW THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DOZEN I HAVE MOTION TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES APRIL 6, 2023 REGULAR MEETING?

>> YES, WE HAVE MOTION. SECOND. >> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ? ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS CONSENT AGENDA. DOES THE BOARD HAVE REQUEST TO WITHHOLD AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT?

>> CAN YOU WITHHOLD 8.3.3.1 COURSE MATRIX?

>> SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AND WITHHOLD

ITEM 8.3.3.1. >> SECOND.

>> SORRY. THERE'S ONE MORE THERE 8.3.3.1.

>> SECOND. >> QUESTIONS FOR COMMENTS?

>> WHAT ARE THE TWO NUMBERS AGAIN?

>> 8.3.3.1.1, AND 8.3.3.1. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ARE THOSE WRONG? RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT? OKAY. THANK YOU. SO QUESTION OR COMMENTS? ROLL CALL PLEASE.

WITHHELD ITEMS, NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS ARE ITEMS WITHHELD FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. FIRST AGENDA ITEM WITHHELD 8.3.3.1 CALENDAR BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETINGS. DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MOTION. >> DR., DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION

ON THIS ITEM? >> YES. MY APOLOGIES BUT I KEEP LOOKING AT THIS CALENDAR AND EVENTS THAT ARE COMING. THERE'S A CHANGE I NEED PERSONALLY. MY TIMING OF SOME OF THE EVENTS I WANTED TO DO THIS SPRING ARE PUSHED BACK. I WANT TO MAKE ADJUSTMENT TO CALENDAR. I PROPOSE WE CANCEL THE MAY 17TH MEETING. THERE'S TOO MANY MEETINGS THAT ONE MONTH. CHANGE THAT TO MAY 25TH MEETING TO A WORD RETREAT AND CHANGE TO A REGULAR BOARD MEETING. I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT RETREAT HAPPENING AFTER MY LISTENING TOUR. RETREAT OUNCE CURING IN THE FALL INSTEAD OF IN THE SUMMERTIME.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. YOU WANT TO CANCEL MAY 17TH AND HAVE THE MEETING ON MAY 25TH?

>> THE MEETING IS ON THE 25TH. WE'RE GOING TO CANCEL MAY 17TH ALL TOGETHER AND RETREAT TO A REGULAR BOARD MEETING.

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>> THANK YOU. >> ONE COMMENT. WE TALKED A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT INCLUDING A STUDY SESSION INTO OUR FUTURE MEETINGS. IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD DESIGNATE AND ALREADY SCHEDULED MEETING OR SOMETHING WE'D BRING NEXT TIME AND

SCHEDULE FROM THERE? >> IN YOUR FRIDAY MEMO, YOU WILL HAVE A MACRO CALENDAR OF ALL THE DIFFERENT TOPICS FROM HERE OVER TO AUGUST. SO IN THERE, YOU'LL SEE ITEMS ON THE STUDY SESSION, SOME UNDER DISCUSSION OR ACTION. THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS NEXT BOARD MEMBER. WE ASKED EARLIER.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUDY ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOU.

>> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SEPARATE DEDICATED MEETING FOR

THAT THING. >> NO. AS A REMINDER, WE TREAT STUDY SESSIONS AS THERE'S ACTION ITEMS IN WHICH WE BRING A DISCUSSION TO YOU IN WHICH WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO VOTE ON SOMETHING. WE CALL IT AN ACTION ITEM. THERE'S A DISCUSSION. THIS IS SOMETHING WE WOULD DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE WITH YOU AND GET DIRECTION KNOWING IT'S GOING TO TURN INTO ACTION AT SOME POINT. A STUDY SESSION IS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT SOME ITEM WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. WE'LL HAVE POSSIBLY FUTURE IMPLICATIONS ON DECISIONS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE.

THERE'S MORE INFORMATION WE'RE GIVING YOU. THE RETREAT IS WE TREAT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING A DEDICATED SPECIAL MEETING. THE ARRANGEMENT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT. WE'RE EITHER GOING TO DO BOARD 360 EVALUATIONS OR YOU WANT TO DO DELIBERATIONS. SOME OF THE PLANS WE HAVE FOR QUARTERLY REVIEWS OF DATA IN WHICH WE'LL HAVE PRINCIPALS AND OTHER ADMINISTRATORS COME TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE SCHOOL

SITES AND ALL THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU. ROLL CALL PLEASE.

>> BOARD MEMBER MENDOZA.

THIS ITEM. STARTING OFF, THERE WAS A HUMUNGOUS LIST OF CLASSES. IT GAVE ME FOOD FOR THOUGHT. TO BEGIN WITH, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN A SECONDARY STUDENT, ONE PRIMARY THINGS I HEAR FROM YOU WANT STUDENTS AND STUDENTS NEED MORE ELECTIVES, MORE CLASSES THEY CAN TAKE FOR ORIGINAL CREDIT. THEY WANT MORE CLASSES THAT ARE RELATED TO SPECIFIC FIELDS. THEY'LL GO INTO LATER IN THEIR CAREERS. WHEN THEY OPEN UP THIS MATRIX I SAW A LIST OF AMAZING CLASS. WE HAVE GOTHIC LITERATURE, AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY, HOLOCAUST HISTORY, ARCHEOLOGY, ASTRONOMY, VETERINARY SCIENCE, OCEANOGRAPHY, LATIN. THOSE CLASSES SOUND AMAZING. UNFORTUNATELY I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THEM BEFORE. TO BEGIN TALKING ABOUT HOW STUDENTS HEAR ABOUT CLASSES, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PROCESS OF SIGNING UP. HOW IT WORKS FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, THIS IS THE SAME FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL. AS YOU GET A FORM, IT HAS A LIST OF POSSIBLE CLASSES YOU CAN TAKE. THEN YOU RANK THOSE CLASSES LIKE YOUR ELECTIVES ONE, TWO, THREE WHICH IS PRIORITIES. BASED ON HOW MANY SIGN UP FOR THEM, ONLY A FEW ARE OFFERED FOR THE ACADEMIC YEAR. THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU DON'T WANTED A CLASS WITH JUST ONE STUDENT IN IT.

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>> I'LL ANSWER THAT FOR YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME, SOME OF YOU. SO THE COURSE MATRIX, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THE COURSES WE'VE HAD HERE IN BELL FLOWER. IT'S A LIST EVERRING OF THOSE AND COURSE NUMBER THAT GOES WITH IT. IT COULD BE FOR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS. IT COULD BE LOSFLORIS, MAY FLOWER, MAY FARE, ANY COURSE WE PROVIDE HERE. IF THERE WAS A SCHOOL SITE THAT WANTED TO ADD A COURSE TO THEIR LISTING, THERE WOULD BE A VARIETY OF THINGS THEY WOULD THINK ABOUT. THEY WOULD THINK WHETHER IT'S A THROUGH B APPROVED. THEY'D HAVE TO SUBMIT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. IF THEY HAVE STAFFING FOR THAT AS WELL, AS YOU ALSO MENTIONED, IS THERE STUDENT INTEREST IN THAT.

THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT GO INTO IT AND PROCESS FOR THEM TO SUBMIT THAT COURSE TO BE REQUESTED TO BE ADDED.

>> I THOUGHT SO THE COURSE MATRIX INCLUDES COURSES OFFERED

IN THE PAST. RIGHT? >> OKAY.

>> I FEW ABOUT BEFORE I WAS ON THIS BOARD. THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TAKING COURSES DEPENDING ON WHICH YOU GO TO. SO YOU COULD ONLY TAKE WOMEN STUDIES IF YOU'RE A STUDENT OVER THERE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MIND WAS THAT I WOULD IMAGINE COURSES LIKE AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY.

THOSE OF YOU IN REGULAR CLASSES AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE A HIGH UNDERSTAND FOR THEM. THE I DON'T IMAGINE IT WOULD REQUIRE TOO MUCH ADDITIONAL STAFFING. ANOTHER COURSE WOULD BE INTOED OUT FOR THAT. SOMETHING THAT COMES TO MIND IS AS FAR AS WE OFFER A COURSE AND HAVE A CURRICULUM FOR IT, EVEN A BOOK FOR IT, DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE CURRICULUMS AND BOOKS IN THE PAST. MARKETING DOESN'T HAVE A PHYSICAL BOOK. IS THERE A PDF

FOR THESE CLASSES? >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M HEARING YOU SAY THERE MAY BE AN INTEREST FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE WOMENS STUDIES COURSE. IS THERE CURRICULUM FOR THAT SINCE IT WAS ON COURSE MATRIX. ONE THING IS SOME CLASSES THEY OFFER ARE ONLINE. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT WITH A TEACHER AND THE CURRICULUM THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. THEY PAY FOR THAT COURSE. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CURRICULUM FOR AT THE OTHER SCHOOLS. THAT'S THE INDEPENDENT STUDY SCHOOL.

>> THAT CURRICULUM IS EXCLUSIVE TO LOSFLURIS?

>> STUDENTS COULD TAKE AN ONLINE COURSE. THAT WOULD BE A PAID FOR COURSE THAT THEY WOULD DO FOR THEIR INDEPENDENT STUDY.

>> I SEE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW DUAL ENROLLMENT WORKS IN WHICH STUDENTS SIGN UP TO TAKE CLASSES AND IT HAS DISTRICT

COVERS IT, RIGHT? >> SIMILAR.

>> THERE'S CURRICULUM FOR DUAL ENROLLMENT CLASSES. THEY ARE

SIMILAR. >> I HAD WRITTEN DOWN

SOMETHING. >> YEAH. SO I KNOW THERE ARE DEFINITELY COURSES THAT EXPRESS INTEREST IN THE PAST. ALMOST EVERYONE I'VE SPOKE TON SAY IT WOULD BE SO COOL TO HAVE AN ASL CLASS. THERE'S CLASSES THAT AREN'T THAT POPULAR. WE SAY THESE ARE COURSES OFFERED IN THE PAST. WOULD YOU BE

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>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE SITE LEVEL.

THEY'RE GOING TO COLLECT FROM STUDENTS WHAT THE STUDENTS ARE INTERESTED IN TAKING AT SCHOOL SITE. IF IT'S DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW COURSE, THEY COULD LOOK AT WRITING THAT COURSE UP AND GETTING IT A THROUGH G APPROVED. I WOULDN'T WANT TO GIVE A LIST TO OF COURSES YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS OR TAKE. IT WAS ONLINE LIKE THE LEO FLEURIS.

>> I THINK BACK TO THAT IDEA, INTRODUCING THIS TOPIC, STUDENTS LIKE MORE CLASSES TO TAKE. WE HAVE OUR CT PROGRAM.

AS FAR AS ACADEMIC KIND OF VERY SPECIFIC COURSES, I THINK MAYBE IF WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING DUAL ENROLLMENT EASIER FOR STUDENTS, IT'S A WAY TO MAKE UP ORIGINAL CREDIT OVER THE SUMMER. WE HAVE OUR SUMMER SCHOOL PROGRAMS USUALLY FOR MAKING UP CREDITS. IT'S NOT MAKING UP ORIGINAL CREDIT.

>> WE HAVE DUAL ENROLLMENT. ITSELF PART OF A GRANT FUNDING.

IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO STUDENTS.

>> IT'S GETTING WORD OUT TO PEOPLE AND MAKING THE PROCESS EASY. I SPOKE AT THE SUPERINTENDENT ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING. STEIN SIGNING UP IS A BIG HEAD ACHE. IT'S A LOT OF WORK. YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMISSION SLIP, CREATE YOUR OWN PORTAL WITH THE COLLEGE AND EVERYTHING. COUNSELORS ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE US HELP SIGNING UP FOR CLASSES. OUR COUNSELORS ARE WORKING EXTREMELY HARD AS IT IS. IF WE CAN LOOK AT GIVING SUPPORT FOR STUDENTSING AND LEARNING ABOUT DUAL ENROLLMENT CLASSES CLASSES.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK. >> YEAH. THEN OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH GRAD REQUIREMENTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO SAY WE WANT PEOPLE TAKING STUDIES BEFORE THEY GRADUATE, YOU HAVE THE ABOUT TO DO THAT AND DO THAT NOW. THERE'S CONSEQUENCES FORCING PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING. YOU'VE GOT TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS.

I'VE SEEN DISTRICTS SAY WE WANT OUR STUDENTS TO DO THIS, THIS, THAT AND RESPOND TO IT. ASIDE FROM THE BOARD SAYING THESE ARE THE EXPECTATIONS EVERYBODY TAKES THESE COURSES. LIKE ENGINEER ACCOMPLISH, MATH, ALL THAT. CERTAIN LEVELS O MATH AND ALL THAT. OTHER COURSES ARE GOING TO BE MORE FLAVOR OF WHAT THE STUDENT BODY. YOU GET STUCK IN TERMS OF JUST SAYING IF WE HAVE MANDARIN AT ONE SCHOOL. WE HIRE A TEACH THEIR TEACHES MANDARIN. NEXT YEAR, EVERYONE WANTS GERMAN. HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT SITUATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MANDARIN TEACHER NOT GERMAN? THAT'S HOW COMPLEX THINGS GET. I'M SO GLAD WE HAVE THE EIGHTH PERIOD DAY. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO OPEN OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND MORE SCHOOL COURSES TO GET THE STUDENTS. JUST A LOT TO THINK THROUGH. I'M EXCITED TO TALK TO PEOPLE OUT THERE AND TALK TO STUDENTS WHAT THEY WANT NEXT THREE TO FOUR YEARS IN DISTRICT, IN TERMS OF CURRICULUM. THAT'S GOING TO HELP ME INFORM WHEN WE HAVE THE FINAL RETREAT AND SCHOOL BOARD. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS IDEAS AND THINGS, KIND OF CURRICULUM WE WANT TO SEE.

THERE'S POTENTIAL HERE. WE HAVE TO KIND OF GET TOGETHER AND

DISCUSS THOSE THINGS. >> YEAH. ON THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE ABOUT HAVING A MANDARIN TEACHER AND EVERY YEAR EVERYONE WANTS TO TAKE GERMAN. WE HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM THIS YEAR AT MAY FARE. WE HAD PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR AP STATISTICS. GOOD SIGNED UP THE FIRST DAY. THEN MANY WERE JUST WANTING BASIC STATS.

COUNSELORS CAME IN AND ANNOUNCED AP STATS WERE CANED AND WE HAD TO TAKE ANOTHER SEMESTER BEFORE WE COULD TAKE DUAL ENROLLMENT STATS. FOR THAT FIRST SEMESTER, WE DID BASIC STATS. PLANNING AHEAD AND MAKING SURE THAT -- MAYBE THIS IS MORE THE SITE LEVEL, SETTING UP COURSES FOR THE ACT KIMIC

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GREAT. >> I HAD A GREAT MEETING TODAY WITH THE SUPERINTENDENTS, DEPARTMENTS IN THE COLLEGE. I HAVE ONE COMING UP WITH LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE AS WELL.

THEY'RE INTERESTED IN EXPANDING DUAL ENROLLMENT. BOTH HAVE EIGHT PERIOD DAYS. THEY CAN HELP US WITH THAT. THERE'S LOTS

TO TALK THROUGH. >> THANK YOU.

>> BOARD MEMBER ARMSTRONG, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ?

>> YEAH. I FOUND AGAIN THE MATRIX INTERESTING. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT LOS FLUERIS HAS A DIFFERENT CURRICULUM. IF YOU CHOOSE THAT PATH, THEN YOU START THAT PATH. YOU COMPLETE THAT PATH AS OPPOSED TO BEING IN THE SCHOOL GOING THROUGH THE CURRICULUM AT SCHOOL. I ALSO NOTICED AGAIN THAT THE WOMEN STUDIES, AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDY, HOLOCAUST STUDIES . ARE

YOU ALL RESEARCHING THAT? >> WE'RE CURRENTLY RESEARCHING

THAT. >> THANK YOU. GLAD TO KNOW THAT. THAT IS GOING TO ENCOMPASS A IN PLACE THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT CLASS NEEDS TO BE PART OF GRADUATION REQUIREMENTS. WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND WE'LL HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT OUR GRADUATION REQUIREMENTS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. SO THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD IN THE

FUTURE HERE. >> THIS IS GOING TO BE EXCITING. IT IS EMOTIONAL. IT IS EMPOWERING. IT WILL GIVE OUR STUDENTS THE BOOST THEY NEED. JUST TO SEE WHAT CONTRIBUTIONS

CAME FROM . THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. ALSO WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I WAS TALKING TO OUR DAUGHTER. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE SURVEYED THE HIGH SCHOOLS ON CLASSES THEY

WOULD WANT TO TAKE? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S A PROCESS THAT THE SCHOOL SITES DO EVERY YEAR. THEY BUMPED IT UP EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE WERE TALKING TO STUDENTS IN JANUARY, FED TIME.

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. THEY GO OUT. TALK ABOUT THE COURSES NEXT YEAR AND GET FEEDBACK FROM KIDS AS WELL. THE

STUDENTS TURN IN INTERESTS. >> SO ON THAT FORM, ALL OF

THESE CLASSES ARE LISTED? >> NOT ALL OF THE CLASSES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALL FOR THAT SCHOOL. SO ON THAT LIST IS COURSES FOR OUR ENTIRE DISTRICT. EACH SCHOOL SITE HAS SOMETHING CALLED A COURSE CATALOG. THEY UPDATE THAT BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED AND POSTED ON THE WEBSITE FOR PARENTS TO KNOW AND STUDENTS TO KNOW. AND IT HAS A LOT MORE DETAILS ON EACH ONE OF THOSE COURSES. SO SITES SPECIFICALLY, THEY START THAT PROCESS IN THE EARLY SPRING.

FEBRUARY. >> SO IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY, THEY ARE ON THE FORM TO BE SURVEYED?

>> ON THAT INTEREST FORM. >> IS IT THE SAME WHERE THEY CHOOSE NUMBERS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO TAKE?

>> YOU'RE GETTING INTO SPECIFICS. MY UNDERSTANDING AND CHRIS YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO EXPLAIN YOUR EXPERIENCE. BUT YES, THEY GO AND GIVE THEIR PRIORITY ON CLASSES. BECAUSE THEN THEY HAVE TO CREATE THE MASTER SCHEDULE.

>> I DON'T THINK I'M MAKING ANY SINCE HERE. WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, OR NOT UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS A SURVEY OF THE COURSES THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN. BUT THEN THERE IS ANOTHER FORUM THEY FEEL OUT FOR WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE. ARE THERE TWO DIFFERENT PAPERS?

>> YES. SO THE FIRST THING I TALKED ABOUT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU DO TO FORM YOUR SCHEDULE THE NEXT YEAR. YOU GET A LIST OF ALL THE CLASSES OFFERED AT YOUR CAMPUS AND CHOOSE FROM THOSE ELECTIVES AND REQUIREMENTS. YOU CHOOSE THE LEVEL OF REQUIREMENT. AND YOU PICK THREE ELECTIVES AND YOU

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OF THOSE. >> IT'S A SAME DOCUMENT THAT GOES OUT. SO, THE COURSE INTEREST, THEY WILL LIST ALL THE MAYFAIR COURSES. THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OFFER ALL OF THEM. THEY WILL SAY THIS X AMOUNT OF STUDENTS HERE. THESE ARE THE COURSES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR MAYFAIR. AND, THEN, STUDENTS START POPULATING AND THEY PULL BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE CAN OFFER THESE COURSES. THESE COURSES. WE ARE NOT GOING TO OFFER IT. AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO OFFER IT THIS YEAR. SO THAT IS HOW THAT WORKS. BUT, TO SAY LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR, I WANT TO DO THIS. SOME VAST NUMBER OF COURSES THAT CHANCES ARE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN LOGISTICALLY.

IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR A TEACHER CREDENTIAL, ANYTHING ELSE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN OFFER SOME OF THOSE COURSES. SO NO. IF YOU WANT TO GO TALK ABOUT CONCEPTS FOR EDUCATION. AND CURRICULUM THAT I WANT TO SEE, TO SEE PEOPLE REACT TO IT, I WILL SAY LOOK, SEEMED LIKE THE COMMUNITY WANT TO SAY I WILL COME TO YOU. DO WE GUARANTEE THIS? DO WE MAKE THIS AN ELECTIVE? AND THOSE COURSES MAKE THE SCHEDULE THAT WAY. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE STUDENTS HAVE TO TAKE. AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE, YOU HAVE TO OFFER. INTERESTS COME FROM THE FACT. THERE WILL BE TEACHERS THERE. DEPARTMENT CHAIRS. I WONDER IF I COULD TEACH WOMAN STUDIES. BUT THEY WOULD UPHOLD PEOPLE ON CAMPUS. AND SAY WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN TAKING THIS? IF PEOPLE SAY YES, THIS MAKES IT ON THAT. MAKES SURE YOU ARE ON THAT LIST. THAT WHOLE LIST GOES TO A STUDENT. WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER TAKE? AND STUDENTS DON'T TAKE THAT COURSE THAT JUST ADDED. IT IS THERE,

BUT WE DON'T OFFER IT. >> MY DISTRICT IS CURRENTLY GOING TO BLOCK SCHEDULE SO I UNDERSTAND AND THEY ARE CHECKING THE CREDENTIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE NEVER SURVEYED OUR STUDENTS ON WHAT THEY WANT TO TAKE HAVE WE?

>> I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS AN OPEN SURVEY OF WHAT OTHER COURSES MIGHT YOU WANT TO HAVE.

>> CORRECT. MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE PICK WHAT IS ON THAT LIST? THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION IS HOW DO WE PICK WHAT'S ON THE ONES THAT THEY ACTUALLY CHOOSE THAT? ON THE SCHOOL SITE? WHEN THEY CHOOSE ONE, TWO, THREE, I WANT TO TAKE THIS, THIS, THIS. WHO DECIDES WHAT CLASSES ARE ON THAT LIST?

>> IT WILL BE THE COURSES THEY HAVE FOR THEIR GRADUATION REQUIREMENT AND IT WILL BE THE COURSINGS THEY KNOW THEY HAVE STAFFING THAT ARE DOING THOSE ELECTIVES. SO IT IS GOING TO BE THE COURSES THAT ARE IN THEIR COURSE CATALOG ALREADY. THAT THEIR KIDS ARE ABLE TO TAKE, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY HAVE STAFFING FOR IT. WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS, IS THERE ANOTHER SURVEY WHERE WE COULD SAY IF YOU WANT TO TAKE WOMEN'S STUDIES, AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDIES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

I THINK, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THE HARD PART OF THAT MIGHT BE THAT COURSE CREATED AND APPROVED AT THAT SCHOOL SITE. REMEMBER THOSE COURSES WERE ONLINE. THE CREDENTIAL TO DO THAT COURSE, OR BE TRAINED FOR THAT COURSE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WE WOULD HESITATE IN GIVING A LONG LIST TO KIDS. MY UNDERSTANDING, TOO, WOULD BE THAT OUR COUNSELORS WOULD BE THAT FRONT LINE OF HEARING FROM KIDS OF WHAT THEIR INTERESTS MIGHT BE AND THEY WORK WITH THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL OVER CURRICULUM AT THE SCHOOL SITES.

THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE MORE OF AN IMPUT TO APS ABOUT THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING KIDS ARE TALKING ABOUT AND MAYBE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AMONG THEMSELVES.

>> BEFORE I WEIGH IN AGAIN, I WANT TO CHECK IN ON THE OTHER

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>> THE DISTRICT OFFICE, THEY HAVE A LIST OF YOUR CREDENTIALS AND WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TEACH. THAT CAN BE DONE. IF WE SURVEYED PRIOR, ASKING WHAT THEY WANTED, WE COULD DETERMINE WHO COULD TEACH THEM AND WHAT IS POSSIBLE.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE GO THROUGH THIS LIST AND KIND OF CLEAN IT UP AT EVERY END OF THE YEAR? IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO PERHAPS OR JUST SO THAT WE ARE UP TO DATE WITH WHAT WE ARE OFFERING OUR STUDENTS. I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THESE. BUT, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THEM AFTER YEARS OF NOT HAVING THESE TEACHERS BE ABLE TO OFFER THOSE CLASSES?

>> I WOULD SAY SOMEWHAT TO CHRIS' POINT IN THAT IF THERE WAS AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, A TEACHER THAT WANTED AND HAD THE CREDENTIALING TO TEACH THE CREATIVE WRITING CLASS, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE IT OFF OF OUR LIST. WE WOULD WANT TO SAY WE HAVE THE COURSE AND PROGRAM KID INTO THAT COURSE.

>> IT IS LIKE A SPACE HOLDER AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF ADDING THE COURSE AND GOING THROUGH THE

WHOLE PROCESS. >> RESUBMITTING ALL OF THAT.

YEAH. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CANCEL A COURSE OUT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE WHY WE HAVE SUCH A LONG LIST.

>> THOSE COURSES ARE ALSO A PART OF THE CLEARING HOUSE.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LISTING OF ALL THE COURSES AT MAYFAIR AND BELLFLOWER HIGH. SO BACK WHEN I WAS LA HIGH, I REMEMBER WHEN THINGS WERE, WERE PEOPLE WERE JUST ABUSING. THEY WERE SAYING YOU ARE IN COLLEGE SOMEWHERE. ALL THAT STOPPED BECAUSE YOU DON'T JUST CREATE ANY OLD COURSE TO GIVE A GRADE TO. SO ALL THOSE COURSES THAT ARE APPROVED BY YOU GUYS AND ALL THAT IN THE COURSE MATRIX, THE CLEARINGHOUSE HAS ACCESS TO THAT KNOWING WE HAVE THOSE COURSES.

>> PRESIDENT GARZA, IS THERE A LIST SOMEWHERE OR CAN WE REQUEST A LIST OF THE CLASSES WE ACTUALLY GO AVAILABLE FOR

OUR STUDENTS? >> YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE JUST TO MAKE A SEPARATE LIST? I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO ADD LIST UPON LIST ON LIST. BUT JUST SO

THAT WE. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE THE COURSE CATALOG FOR EACH ONE OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS.

>> SO AT THE WEBSITE. LIKE ONLINE. IT WOULD HAVE THOSE COURSE CATALOGS. AND PARENTS WOULD SEE WHICH COURSES. THEY

WILL HAVE THEM THE NEXT YEAR. >> LASTLY I THINK JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, THIS SPEAKS TO THE POINT THAT BOARD MEMBER STEWART BROUGHT UP. IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO STUDY OUR COURSE MATRIX, FIND COURSES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE OFFERED ON A TEACHER'S CREDENTIALING, IF IT IS THREE OR FOUR COURSES THAT COULD BE OFFERED, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN TAKING A COURSE LIKE THIS? AND THEN THAT WAY, WE CAN OFFER IT FOR THAT NEXT ACADEMIC YEAR AND THEN, THE THING IS YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT A COURSE BEING POPULAR ONE YEAR, BUT NOT THE NEXT. AND THAT'S OKAY IF THAT HAPPENS BUT I THINK WHEN STUDENTS TAKE A COURSE, YOU SHOULD TAKE THIS COURSE NEXT YEAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW COMMON IT IS. IF WE COULD POSE THAT TO STUDENT TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY GREAT.

>> I THINK THAT COULD REALLY SPEAK TO, THE PRINCIPALS AT THE

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IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I COULD BRING THEM TO YOU AND INVITE THEM TO EXPLAIN HOW THE WHOLE PROCESS WORKS.

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> FOR SOMEBODY LEADING THE HIGH SCHOOL BUILDING A MASSIVE SCHEDULE, IT IS COMPLEX. IT IS NOT THAT EASY TO SAY LET'S OFFER THESE COURSES. IF YOU REACT, THIS IS A RESPONSE TO YOUR REACTION. YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT. SIMPLE THING IS THE ETHNIC STUDIES. I WAS PART OF THE WHOLE DEBATE WITH THE ETHNIC STUDIES. SANTA MONICA MALIBU WAS FIRST SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ADOPT ETHNIC STUDIES AS A GRAD REQUIREMENT BUT I AVOIDED THE CONFLICT BECAUSE I TURNED A U.S. HISTORY INTO ETHNIC STUDIES. SO EVERYBODY TOOK IT INSTEAD OF FORCING PEOPLE TO TAKE A COURSE AND DROPPING A COURSE THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN OTHERWISE BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED ALL KINDS OF CONFLICT. THERE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN A METHODICAL WAY. MEDDLING WITH PEOPLE'S SCHEDULE, YOU ARE TALKING PEOPLE GOING NUTS. SO WE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT COURSE SELECTIONS AND FORCES STUDENTS TO TAKE CERTAIN COURSES OR NOT. THOSE THINGS ARE SENSITIVE. SO AS THOSE INITIATIVES COME UP, WE WILL HAVE TO IMPLEMENT ETHNIC STUDIES BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE STATE SAYS. HOW WE DO IT, I HAVE SOME IDEAS ON THAT. WE WILL TRY TO AVOID CONFLICT. AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT, BELLFLOWER UNIFIED IS SET UP TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND IMPLEMENT THESE COURSES BECAUSE OF THE EIGHT-PERIOD DAY. MORE THAN OTHER DISTRICTS. THAT'S A GOOD

THING. >> AND JUST AS A FORM OF MORE CLARIFICATION, PARENTS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE COURSES ARE ON THE WEBSITE AND THAT DEPENDING ON THE COURSES THAT ARE OFFERED AT EACH OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS, THAT THEY NEED TO BE SELECTIVE AS TO WHICH SCHOOL THEY DECIDE TO GO TO. CORRECT? BECAUSE SOME COURSES RESEMBLE IF MY SON ISN'T VERY INTERESTED IN ART, YOU KNOW. IT MAY BE OFFERED IN BELLFLOUR BUT NOT MAYFAIR. THAT MIGHT BE THE DECIDING FACTOR OF WHICH SCHOOL I CHOOSE TO APPLY TO.

>> WHEN YOU TALK CTE PATHWAYS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT ONES AT EACH SCHOOL SITE. THERE IS THE ART ACADEMY AT MAYFAIR AND AUTOMOTIVE AND EARLY COLLEGE AT BELLFLOWER, SO THERE ARE DIFFERENCES AT BOTH OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS. AND THAT WOULD BE A PERMIT PROCESS. DEPENDING ON. RIGHT, IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO THEIR OWN HOME SCHOOL, THEN YES. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE ONLINE. THE COURSE CATALOGS ARE ACTUALLY QUITE DETAILED. SO YOU ALSO HAVE THE CTE PATHWAYS THAT ARE IN THERE.

>> THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS. THANK YOU STAFF.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION SINCE THIS ITEM GOT PULLED. I WAS TALKING ABOUT A 7-8 PE CLASS. I THOUGHT THESE WERE ALL COURSES WE OFFERED BUT THERE ARE ANY COMBINATIONS, SEVENTH,

EIGHTH GRADE PE CLASSES? >> IT'S LISTED ON PAGE 21. AND MY CONCERN IS IF THERE ARE, WE TEST FITNESS IN SEVENTH GRADE.

SO IF THERE'S 50 KIDS IN A CLASS, AND A TEACHER HAS TO TEST FOR FITNESS GRAM ALL OF OUR SEVENTH GRADERS, WHAT ARE

THE EIGHTH GRADERS DOING? >> LET ME LOOK IT UP. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SO I WILL GIVE YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION OP THE BOARD MEMO.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENT INS. >> NO.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO, ROLL CALL PLEASE.

>> BOARD MEMBER MENDOZA. >> AYE.

>> MS. ARMSTRONG? >> AYE.

>> MS. STEWART? >> AYE.

>> KRITCHFIELD? GARZA? >> AYE.

>> INFORMATIONAL ITEMS, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE INFORMATIONAL ITEMS THIS EVENING? THANK YOU.

IT IS NOW TIME FOR BOARD OF EDUCATION MEMBERS COMMUNICATIONS AND REPORTS. LET'S BEGIN WITH MR. MENDOZA.

>> I THOUGHT WE WEREN'T GOING THIS, THIS WEEK? I THOUGHT WE GOT A TEXT MESSAGE WE WERE NOT DOING THEM THIS WEEK?

>> YEAH, WE ARRANGED, SORRY YOU DIDN'T GET THE MESSAGE. BUT I THINK SOME BOARD MEMBERS REQUESTED THAT WE CONTINUE. I WAS GOING TO DO IT ONCE A MONTH. BUT I THINK EVERYBODY

WANTS IT EVERY MEETING. >> LEAVING IT ON, WE HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA. BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, SHOULD FEEL OBLIGATED TO GIVE A FULL BOARD REPORT. BUT JUST AS AN OPTION. IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO COMMUNICATE, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA AS AN OPTION.

>> I DON'T WANT TO JUST RAMBLE HERE SO I WILL PASS IT OFF TO

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YOU GUYS. >> I WASN'T PREPARED. HOWEVER, HOWEVER, I DO HAVE THIS TO SAY. ON APRIL 24TH, 1915, THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE BEGAN. AND OVER 1.5 MILLION ARMENIANS WERE SYSTEMATICALLY KILLED BY THE OTTOMAN GOVERNMENT. THIS ATROCITY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST FORMS OF MODERN DAY GENOCIDE.

AND IT'S A DARK STAIN ON HUMANITY'S HISTORY. THIS WAS YESTERDAY. ON APRIL 24TH. BUT YESTERDAY, I REMEMBERED THE VICTIMS OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND RECOGNIZE THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF THE ARMENIAN PEOPLE. I HONOR THE MEMORIES OF THOSE WHO ARE KILLED AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THE COURAGE OF THOSE WHO SURVIVED. I RECOGNIZE THAT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE CONSEQUENCES ARE STILL FELT TODAY. I REMEMBER THE VICTIMS OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND RECOGNIZE THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF THE ARMENIAN PEOPLE. I RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF LEARNING OUR PAST AND HONORING THE MEMORY OF THOSE WHO ARE LOST. I PLEDGED TO NEVER FORGET THE ATROCITIES OF THE PAST AND TO NEVER ALLOW SUCH THINGS TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

AGAIN, I MUST ALSO RECOGNIZE THE COURAGE AND SPIRIT OF THE ARMENIAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE PERSEVERED IN THE FACE OF ADVERSITY FOR CENTURIES. DESPITE THE HORRORS OF THE PAST, THE ARMENIAN PEOPLE HAVE CONTINUED TO THRIVE AND BUILD THEIR LIVES AND THEY ARE A TESTAMENT OF THE POWER OF RESILIENCE AND HOPE. SO I STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE ARMENIAN PEOPLE AND REMEMBER THE VICTIMS OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND I WANT US TO WORK TO ENSURE SUCH TRAGEDIES NEVER OCCUR AGAIN AND LET'S COMMIT TO CREATING A WORLD WHERE ALL PEOPLE ARE TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT AND HATRED AND PREJUDICE ARE NEVER TOLERATED. AND I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN AND I'M SPEAKING THIS IN HONOR OF MY FIRST COUSIN. AND THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU BOARD MEMBER ARMSTRONG. BOARD MEMBER

STEWART? >> I DIDN'T HAVE A BOARD REPORT THIS WEEK. I WENT ON VACATION WITH MY FAMILY AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT YOU GUYS WORK REALLY HARD AND IT'S GOOD TO TAKE BREAKS SOMETIMES AND GO ON VACATION AND NOT PICK UP YOUR PHONE AND FAMILY IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO ME. MY FATHER, AND DAUGHTER, I'M VERY PROTECTIVE OVER THEM.

SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU GUYS TO TAKE BREAKS WHEN YOU NEED. I HOPE YOU GUYS HAD AN AMAZING SPRING BREAK. THANK

YOU. >> BOARD MEMBER KRITCHFIELD?

>> FIRST, I WANT TO THANK ONLO, RICK AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION. TONIGHT YOU AND YOUR TEAM. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. TONIGHT IS AN EXAMPLE.

THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SEEN HOW MUCH CAN ACTUALLY GO INTO HOLDING THIS OFFICE OR ANY ELECTED OFFICE AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF STRESS. I'M FORTUNATE TO BE SURROUNDED BY SUCH POWERFUL AND STRONG WOMEN HERE AND AT HOME. AND, IT MEANS A LOT TO ME THAT YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE. AND THAT YOU PUT UP WITH IT. AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT SOMETIMES THAT COMMUNITY MAY NOT SEE THAT. I THINK A LOT OF THEM DO. BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE ANY DISTRACTION FROM THE WORK IS A DISSERVICE TO OUR CHILDREN. AND I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD TO ALL OF YOU FOR THAT WORK. AND OUR DISTRICT. THANKS FOR ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS ABOUT PAST POLICIES AND PRACTICES. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK AND CLOSE AND OPEN. SO THANK YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU BOARD MEMBER KRITCHFIELD. I HAVE NO UPDATES OR COMMENTS SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> LET'S GO ONTO IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION. THIS MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:27 UNTIL THE REGULAR BOARD MEETING TO

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